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    Mystical Weapons

    This one is a bit out there.

    What are peoples thoughts about enchanted weapons of legend? Can runes or other such methods improve a weapon? Is this dependent on who made the weapon and who carries it. What place do mystical weapons have in the modern world and what place in the past? Will such things come to the fore in the future?

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    Mystical Weapons

    Imbuing a weapon with some sort of mystical power (whether real or not)imparts a psychological advantage to the user and a disadvantage to the other. In fact it's still used today. When I was in the service we had to name our weapons after our girlfriends. The thought was, we would take better care of them and not lose them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wittwer View Post
    Imbuing a weapon with some sort of mystical power (whether real or not)imparts a psychological advantage to the user and a disadvantage to the other. In fact it's still used today. When I was in the service we had to name our weapons after our girlfriends. The thought was, we would take better care of them and not lose them...
    "This is my boomstick..."

    I dont belive in superstition, but I agree that it could give you some psychological advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    This one is a bit out there.

    What are peoples thoughts about enchanted weapons of legend? Can runes or other such methods improve a weapon? Is this dependent on who made the weapon and who carries it. What place do mystical weapons have in the modern world and what place in the past? Will such things come to the fore in the future?
    Not really "out there", just not discussed much.

    Can runes impart power onto an object like a sword, axe, or shield? That is a very interesting question. Certainly our Germanic ancestors believed very strongly that they could.

    Runes are thought to be forms of a type of a priori knowledge made manifest. This belief is very much like the Japanese word magic tradition of the Kototama. And speaking of the Japanese, it was thought a sword received its soul when quenched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Not really "out there", just not discussed much.

    Can runes impart power onto an object like a sword, axe, or shield? That is a very interesting question. Certainly our Germanic ancestors believed very strongly that they could.

    Runes are thought to be forms of a type ofa priori knowledge made manifest. This belief is very much like the Japanese word magic tradition of the Kototama. And speaking of the Japanese, it was thought a said received its soul when quenched.
    In some Asian traditions they would link the blade to the immortal soul of the creator so it became sentient in its own way supposedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    In some Asian traditions they would link the blade to the immortal soul of the creator so it became sentient in its own way supposedly.
    Classic Japanese example of that would be the swords made by Muramasa. Muramasa's disposition was said to be very violent and it was this violent streak of character that was supposed to be imparted into his swords making them bloodthirsty.

    Tokugawa Ieyasu was said to have a near pathological fear of all Muramasa's blades and forbade all his retainers from owning them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Classic Japanese example of that would be the swords made by Muramasa. Muramasa's disposition was said to be very violent and it was this violent streak of character that was supposed to be imparted into his swords making them bloodthirsty.

    Tokugawa Ieyasu was said to have a near pathological fear of all Muramasa's blades and forbade all his retainers from owning them.
    Apparently in China and Indonesia the characters linking the weapon to its maker were internal. Its effectiveness is entirely dependent on the level of spiritual cultivation of the forge master. I think it would have been the same in Germanic lands as I know blacksmiths who made good swords were very high status. Runes were a spiritual practise after all.

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    The only mystical weapon on the world is the Ban Hammer!





    ...and the best thing about it is that only staff members can make use of it!

    (Sorry for the small jesting )

    Seriously, I don´t think that enchanting weapons works. I´m sure it can have a psychological effect on the user, similar to the effect placebo pills have to people who think they´re using an active agent, but I don´t think it can enhance the powers of weapons in an objective way. But psychological effects are never to be underestimated.

    "Judge of your natural character by what you do in your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    If a magical rune has any effect on a weapon, it probably acts trough the wielder. I do not think that a spell will make an edge harder or sharper, though there are some folk tales to the contrary.

    However, in folk tales trolls sometimes forge magic weapons or iron tools for human beings that have superpowers of magical origins.

    I remember a story of a farmhand who did a favour for a troll and ended up buying a magical scythe from him (in exchange for a loaf of bread). It came with the warning to never, ever look at the edge. The scythe worked like magic and cut everything and never needed resharpening. Then, while drunk, he decided to test it and cut off a stone fence post. Now surely, he thought, the edge would be destroyed and, drunk as he was, looked at it. After that day the scythe never took an edge again no matter how he tried to sharpen it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    Apparently in China and Indonesia the characters linking the weapon to its maker were internal. Its effectiveness is entirely dependent on the level of spiritual cultivation of the forge master. I think it would have been the same in Germanic lands as I know blacksmiths who made good swords were very high status. Runes were a spiritual practise after all.
    This is why Japanese smiths traditionally fasted and prayed before making a sword. Any impurities in their hearts/minds would, no doubt, find its way into the sword, so ritual purification (misogi) had to be performed to prevent this.

    I would think the same thing must have gone through the minds of ancient Germanic smiths as well. Shame there doesn't seem to be any historical data extant describing what, if any, kinds of ritualistic steps they may have taken to ensure the forging of a good weapon. Maybe they hung some criminals?
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