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    As for who I would eliminate, it would be William The Bastard, Duke Of Normandy

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    Goomer is happy off with the fairies


    As they say ignorance is bliss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goomer View Post
    Let me ask you this one question....for this is what it all boils down to: Did Hitler order the killing of children or not? Did children die in the concentration camps set up by the SS or not? Were children shot on the spot and buried in mass graves along with the adults or not?
    Not that I particularly know of, certainly he didn't personally order anything down that line. As regarded camp policy, will come back with my sources as soon as I can, as I've lent out a few books in regards to the concentration camps.

    I've seen the photos. You can't make that shit up. I've met survivors who have lived to tell the stories of what went on in these camps
    Interestingly enough, a lot of that stuff can be made up, retouched and re-interpreted. For instance, watch the following painting:



    Simon Wiesenthal used that as "corroborating evidence" of how Jewish prisoners were killed. Just too bad that in truth it's a painting made my him and inspired by a photograph of German soldiers killed by the Americans, the picture depicted in time magazine:



    Or then we have another picture of "starving Jews". Which is a retouched painting. This is the picture we're presented with:



    And this is the older painting we see frequently in Vienna exhibitions:



    And whilst we're at it --- if you use Google Translate (or are able to understand German), the following account on what happened in the concentration camps by a German soldier held in Auschwitz, could be of interest. You can find it here

    He is one of the more well-known historical figures in recent years, and this is why I chose him.
    ...and some of the more well-known historical figures that directly or indirectly triggered genocides even received Nobel Peace Prizes. If you look at the pictures of what the end of Apartheid in South Africa has led to (as posted by OneEye), it kind of does make you reconsider the picture one has of Nelson Mandela, no?
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Goomer

    Yes but Stalin still killed way more people and because he was a communist left wing people totally gloss over the facts.

    He had 20,000 Poles shot just because they had an education. The man was way worse than Hitler but people only talk about the Germans. I am not a national socialists like some on this site and I am not interested in talking about the holocaust and getting the Nazi party of the hook for what did or did not happen. I am also not going to put it all on Germans when there are more recent mass killings on a bigger scale and almost always from the left and most often without even the excuse of being at war.

    Following WWII, Stalin instigated a policy of terror on the German people. This led to about 2,000,000 German civilians being murdered

    Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_p...#ixzz1QfI0EZUd

    also about 1 million German POW's

    It was hard finding an exact number for people he deliberately had killed by shooting or starvation but it is between 20-60 million not including the deaths of combatants during WW2. Most of this was during peace time. Clearly the man was worse than Hitler even if you believe all the official numbers. If I was going to kill a dictator it would have been Stalin. Or maybe Mao with his 40 million death toll.
    However if you have a thing for the 6 million number how about the Democratic Republic of the Congo? They have killed 6 million since 1997. But then they are black so no one blames or stops them (people don't want to be seen as racists but they are and so don't care about the deaths of black people sufficiently to risk being called racist and speaking out against the killing).
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocide4.htm

    Again its clear the remembrance of killing is directed by political thinking not by time frame or severity.

    Still people say if you have right wing views you are one step away from killing 6 million people. This is not true. Why not say if you have left wing views you are one step of killing 20 million +.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goomer View Post
    Sigurd, I kind of did mention others. Not by name....and by no means do I think Hitler is the only person I wish had never existed. He is a recent example, one that lived in the century I was born in.
    This is the same excuse used to demonize Whites. Children are taught that White people are the worst slavers in history, in spite of the fact that only 3% of them ever did. How does the education system get away with it? Because White people are the most recent perpetrators? All they need is one example, because slavery is evil no matter who does it, right? But all the while they show pictures and stories that almost exclusively portray Whites as the prime example. For most people this is good enough, since most are either too lazy to study the extensive of history of slavery or simply do not wish to believe that anybody else other than White people can be so evil. I remember telling you this more than once and you never responded. There is tons of proof to be found, including from prominent blacks, that the greatest slavers of blacks throughout history have been blacks themselves. Untold tens of millions of them enslaved by their own kind for thousands of years. But liberals like yourself wont dare to tread on such a truth because the "truth" you have been dumbfounded with only allows you to see your own skin as the most demonic of them all. This is why you say things like "Hitler!!!" when you are asked to think of the most evil things. We have NEVER been as bad as negroes as well as numerous other races when it comes down to who have been the worst slavers.

    Let me ask you this one question....for this is what it all boils down to: Did Hitler order the killing of children or not? Did children die in the concentration camps set up by the SS or not? Were children shot on the spot and buried in mass graves along with the adults or not?
    Did you personally hear Hitler say that children were to be shot? Did you witness him sign a piece of paper ordering it? Did you follow that piece of paper to its destination point (EX - A. Eichmann) where it was handed off, then read, then acted upon? Did you see this happen numerous times? Did you know that all the information you have gotten about Hitler's alleged evil has come from the US military? I often wonder why liberals hate the army about everything else and yet they accept the official holocaust story from them word for word. Not one authentic piece of paper has been found from that time proving the Germans ordered such a thing. Not one.

    I've seen the photos. You can't make that shit up. I've met survivors who have lived to tell the stories of what went on in these camps
    jews are being outed all the time these days for faking their own personal holocaust horrors.

    What photos are you speaking of here? The ones of the emaciated prisoners wearing striped uniforms? How do you know they are "holocaust' victims, and not prisoners suffering from typhus? How do you know they are even jews? A majority of those photos have since been established as that of russian soldiers.

    Also, you met survivors of concentration camps, NOT "death camps". Even then how do you know they are telling the truth? Because they were old and we young-uns are less apt to question the elderly?

    If you were raised from day one to believe the Germans are evil then your subconscious had ALREADY decided that these "survivors" were telling the truth, regardless of whether they had evidence other than an arm tattoo, which they could have easily given themselves.

    He is one of the more well-known historical figures in recent years, and this is why I chose him.
    If you were alive 100 years ago then you would not be choosing a White man.

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    I think I would eliminate Lenin if I could go back in time. I never liked that prick. Ilja/Ilya Ehrenburg runs a close second. He was an obnoxious prick, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingvaeonic View Post
    I think I would eliminate Lenin if I could back in time. I never liked that prick.
    The reason being?

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    Tartarish eyes, narrow, violent face, rabble-rousing demagogue: I mean, what's there to like? Oh yeah, one more thing, Lenin had appalling taste in suits and headgear.

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    Yes, Lenin would be an excellent candidate for a bullet in the head

    However, I've always felt that once Marxism was out there as a politico-economic theory, it was only a matter of time before somebody put it into practice. In the event it was Lenin who imposed it on Russia but, had he not done so in that place and at that time, it would almost certainly have been implemented elsewhere and I don't think that killing Lenin would in itself have saved the world from the scourge of Marxism/Communism.

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    My pick would be Simon Bar Kokhba, leader of the Jewish rebellion in 132 AD.
    His failed revolt was responsible for the scattering of the Jewish population all over Europe.
    And the day they sold us out, Our hearts grew cold
    'Cause we were never asked, No brother, we were told!
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