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    Quote Originally Posted by Goomer View Post
    Hitler. Sorry....I hate that POS. Loving your people is one thing....doing what he did is something else entirely.
    And what exactly did he do then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haldís View Post
    Adolf Hitler was a bad white person. He was so bad that people are constantly trying to find ways to disqualify him from being human. You always hear people label him as, "That Monster," but sorry he's just a bad white person.

    He helped the unemployed and gave them jobs and hope. That's very bad. He should have left them to themselves.

    He loved children and protected their mothers. He wanted that they have time to raise their children. That's very bad. He should have aborted the children and sent the mothers into the factories.

    He liberated his people from exploitation. That's very bad. He should have made them accept their burden.

    He wanted Germans to become masters again in their own house. That's very, very bad. They should submit to the Jews. They are a holy people.

    He loved the idea of a racially pure nation. That's very bad. Society is much nicer with blacks, Turks, and people of color.

    He cared about the health of the youth. That's very bad. They are much better off sitting in front of the TV and playing video games all day long.

    He wished that everybody contributes to society and that people help each other. Very bad. People should only care about themselves.

    Hitler was a bad white person. Hate him and hate his sign. I know I am ranting... and you probley don't care. That's why you are a good white person. Don't think, don't care or you will become like Hitler. A bad white person.
    Courtesy of Haldis, from this thread. And I couldn't have put it any better myself.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    And what exactly did he do then?



    Courtesy of Haldis, from this thread. And I couldn't have put it any better myself.
    Sigurd, not a human being on this planet will ever get me to change my mind about a man that participated in an attempted genocide that involved children. I don't care how much he loved his own people or even if some of his ideals were somewhat noble. The man was sick and cruel.

    I can hate a man. I can hate a woman. I can wish a man dead. I can wish a woman dead. I can not wish a small child dead.....ever.....regardless of race, color, culture, or whatever.

    If the rest of you guys on here disagree with me, I do not take issue with it. But, don't bother trying to change my mind....it would do no good.

    I respect everyone for their own opinions and wish for the same back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest Kingsley View Post
    I would say Karl Marx. Without him and his theories, the current state of affairs would not be possible.
    I presented this question to my husband tonight.....he gave the same answer as you did here

    Quote Originally Posted by FranzFed View Post
    Probably Abraham
    I will admit....Abraham is tempting. SO MUCH pain has been inflicted upon humankind in the name of the Abrahamic religions.

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    Odd choice for an English man who admires him but Churchill. No Churchill and Britain would have come to terms after Dunkirk. An honourable peace with some concessions on non Prussian Poland from Germany. It would have save a lot of lives and the Empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goomer View Post
    Sigurd, not a human being on this planet will ever get me to change my mind about a man that participated in an attempted genocide that involved children.
    Then you should long before that mention other folks. Like the British in South Africa who starved women and children in the concentration camps during the Second Boer War under sub-standard sanitary condition. Or the "hunger-holocaust" in Ukraine, the Holodomor in 1932/33. Or Pol Pot killing a third of his own population. Not to mention Stalin. Why Hitler first?

    Also, I'm not sure there was much of an "attempted genocide", or at least it has been exaggerated beyond approach, leaving out inconvenient details such as the fact that KL-inmates were allowed prostitutes, had the opportunity to play football (in one case, a group of gypsies won against the wardens 2:1 and did not suffer any repression in return), etc. ... Some other reports are faked; or at least there has for instance been no proof of a "youth-KL in Lodz where 12,000 youths perished" - no German institute of contemporary history could offer any evidence here.

    Some methods of the supposed "genocide" don't even work either. Especially striking is the claim that people were gassed with Diesel exhaust fumes, killing more than 700 people per chamber in 32 minutes ... Really? Viennese Dipl.-Ing. Walter LÜFTL tried the experiment. Results?

    1) After half an hour, the oxygen levels would be at 16%, which is higher than spent air at 15%. Since spent air can be used to reanimate the unconscious, this is not dangerous.
    2) The level of CO was under 0,1%, at 0.1% people could die within 5-6 hours, but not thirty minutes which would be enough for mild headaches or at best dizziness.
    3) The level of CO2 was at 4% and thus would lead to neither long-term nor short-term resutls.
    4) The levels of NO were under 0,1% - see the effects for CO.
    5) The levels of NO2 can lead to a pulmonary edema after some 24 hours.
    6) The levels of carbon black could be carcinogenic, but only in the long run.

    On the basis that this story is constructed on such inaccuracies (and there are too many to mention), including the idea of a cremation of several thousand bodies without wind protection when a roast chicken of the same weight wouldn't be edible, let alone be scorched in the amount of time stipulated ... I am wondering, just how much more is fiction?

    I respect everyone for their own opinions and wish for the same back.
    I respect everyone for their own opinions, but not for willingly clinging to a historical lie. If you didn't know about all these things, that are too much to elaborate for one thread, then Bertolt Brecht (as a Marxist-leaning Socialist) would have you barely down as an idiot for not knowing the truth; if you did know that some of the things stipulated aren't even physically/chemically possible but are denying it, then he'd term you a criminal.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Whoever lead the British Trained Norwegian Commandos who blew up our heavy water plant in WW2, Germany could have had nuclear V2 Missiles!

    Oh and maybe whack Stalin Stalin, and Marx, and Lenin.

    Actually could I just nuke Russia?
    Ein Kampf, Ein Sieg! Fur Prussia!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    Mayer Amschel Rothschild. No one has had more influence in the demise of Western Civilization.

    Winston Churchill is another crucial person whose absence in the early part of the 20th century could have affected British-German relations for the better, and may have prevented Britain's entry into WW1. If not, it would certainly have affected the outcome of the Battle of Britain in WW2. He could have died at one point in childhood, when he fell out of a tree, or by a stray bullet in the Boer War.



    When asked what battle was the turning point of WW2, Field Marschall Gert von Rundstedt said "The Battle of Britain." The interviewer was sure he would say Stalingrad. I'll tell you why Rundstedt was right...

    The Soviet Union, while vast and formidable, was, by itself, a defeatable foe. They lost so much war materiel at the outset of the war that they would have been in a tight spot if they had had to replace that equipment themselves. The Lend Lease Act, signed into law on March 11, 1941, provided them with huge numbers of armored vehicles, planes and trucks from the United States.

    http://ww2total.com/WW2/History/Prod...Lend-Lease.htm

    If, however, the war had been over at this point (meaning Germany had defeated Britain in 1940,) there would have been no excuse for the existence of this act. The USSR could have been taken on alone, and without the alliance with Japan, Germany could have renounced the Pearl Harbor attack and kept the United States busy on the other side of the world while they took on Russia alone. Without Churchill, this might have been possible, had Germany taken the proper steps to defeat Britain.

    Another possibility would have been FDR having his stroke in 1937 instead of 1945, leaving the non-interventionist Texan John Nance Gardner as president.
    I am with you on all of that. Pretty much eliminating anyone who helped bring the downfall of the Third Reich would have been ideal. If the Third Reich had won, we would be sitting pretty happy right about now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goomer View Post
    Sigurd, not a human being on this planet will ever get me to change my mind about a man that participated in an attempted genocide that involved children. I don't care how much he loved his own people or even if some of his ideals were somewhat noble. The man was sick and cruel.

    I can hate a man. I can hate a woman. I can wish a man dead. I can wish a woman dead. I can not wish a small child dead.....ever.....regardless of race, color, culture, or whatever.

    If the rest of you guys on here disagree with me, I do not take issue with it. But, don't bother trying to change my mind....it would do no good.

    I respect everyone for their own opinions and wish for the same back.

    ^ 'West Coast Love' on behalf of the lovely Goomer



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    ^ What blacks do to law abiding whites in south africa (genocide)
    Quote Originally Posted by Goomer View Post
    I respect everyone for their own opinions and wish for the same back.
    ....R-E-A-L-L-Y-!-?
    Quote Originally Posted by Goomer View Post
    Sigurd, not a human being on this planet will ever get me to change my mind about a man that participated in an attempted genocide that involved children.
    ....R-E-A-L-L-Y-!-?

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    ^ Small south african black children and teenagers
    Quote Originally Posted by Goomer View Post
    I can not wish a small child dead.....ever.....regardless of race, color, culture, or whatever.
    ....R-E-A-L-L-Y-!-?

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    ^ South African town
    Quote Originally Posted by Goomer View Post
    I respect everyone for their own opinions and wish for the same back.
    ....R-E-A-L-L-Y-!-?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Then you should long before that mention other folks. Like the British in South Africa who starved women and children in the concentration camps during the Second Boer War under sub-standard sanitary condition. Or the "hunger-holocaust" in Ukraine, the Holodomor in 1932/33. Or Pol Pot killing a third of his own population. Not to mention Stalin. Why Hitler first?

    Also, I'm not sure there was much of an "attempted genocide", or at least it has been exaggerated beyond approach, leaving out inconvenient details such as the fact that KL-inmates were allowed prostitutes, had the opportunity to play football (in one case, a group of gypsies won against the wardens 2:1 and did not suffer any repression in return), etc. ... Some other reports are faked; or at least there has for instance been no proof of a "youth-KL in Lodz where 12,000 youths perished" - no German institute of contemporary history could offer any evidence here.

    Some methods of the supposed "genocide" don't even work either. Especially striking is the claim that people were gassed with Diesel exhaust fumes, killing more than 700 people per chamber in 32 minutes ... Really? Viennese Dipl.-Ing. Walter LÜFTL tried the experiment. Results?

    1) After half an hour, the oxygen levels would be at 16%, which is higher than spent air at 15%. Since spent air can be used to reanimate the unconscious, this is not dangerous.
    2) The level of CO was under 0,1%, at 0.1% people could die within 5-6 hours, but not thirty minutes which would be enough for mild headaches or at best dizziness.
    3) The level of CO2 was at 4% and thus would lead to neither long-term nor short-term resutls.
    4) The levels of NO were under 0,1% - see the effects for CO.
    5) The levels of NO2 can lead to a pulmonary edema after some 24 hours.
    6) The levels of carbon black could be carcinogenic, but only in the long run.

    On the basis that this story is constructed on such inaccuracies (and there are too many to mention), including the idea of a cremation of several thousand bodies without wind protection when a roast chicken of the same weight wouldn't be edible, let alone be scorched in the amount of time stipulated ... I am wondering, just how much more is fiction?



    I respect everyone for their own opinions, but not for willingly clinging to a historical lie. If you didn't know about all these things, that are too much to elaborate for one thread, then Bertolt Brecht (as a Marxist-leaning Socialist) would have you barely down as an idiot for not knowing the truth; if you did know that some of the things stipulated aren't even physically/chemically possible but are denying it, then he'd term you a criminal.
    Sigurd, I kind of did mention others. Not by name....and by no means do I think Hitler is the only person I wish had never existed. He is a recent example, one that lived in the century I was born in.

    Let me ask you this one question....for this is what it all boils down to: Did Hitler order the killing of children or not? Did children die in the concentration camps set up by the SS or not? Were children shot on the spot and buried in mass graves along with the adults or not?

    I've seen the photos. You can't make that shit up. I've met survivors who have lived to tell the stories of what went on in these camps

    No amount of rationale is going to excuse what happened in WWII. But, lest you think I see Hitler as the ONLY person to have committed or ordered such heinous acts, I will tell you right here and now that I know he is not the only one. He is one of the more well-known historical figures in recent years, and this is why I chose him.

    Hope that helps.

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    Hitler. Sorry....I hate that POS. Loving your people is one thing....doing what he did is something else entirely. Half the problems in Israel now that extend to the rest of the Middle East....and by default to the rest of the Western World stem from the fact that the Jews got relocated to Israel after the war.


    Zionism predates Adolf Hitler and you really need to read up on such things as the Balfour Declaration. Here's a quick sampler ...

    His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object.

    ... and that was in 1917!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour...ration_of_1917

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