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Thread: If You Could Go Back in Time and Eliminate a Historical Figure, Who Would It Be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearkinder View Post
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    Ah yes, Mohammed, without him there would be no Islamic rule preventing European trade with the Indies. There would be no need for Portuguese and Spanish exploration which led to European colonization of exotic lands with exotic inhabitants, bringing about miscegenation. Europeans would have been a lot more isolated than we are today.

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    I would eliminate Muhammad as well. We would be living in a very different world, and certainly a very different Europe today if that man had never been born.

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    Abraham, if he existed. No Abraham means no Jews, no Christianity and no Islam...

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    The first modern jew so he couldn't create any more jews and the world would be much much much better off than it is now.

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    Although I am sure we would never know what would happen if someone important was removed from history. I would probably have removed Stalin, because of his atrocities and his major influence in communism and socialism worldwide and in Europe. For enslaving a killing innocent people. Also (although I feel many would strongly disagree on this forum so sorry) would be Hitler. Although I admire his strength and his belief in a united and ethnically uniform society and did many good things for germany, he also in the process, invaded Norway and killed many of my people during the invasion. As you can tell, there are not that many Norwegians in population, and this is bitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ampersand View Post
    Abraham, if he existed. No Abraham means no Jews, no Christianity and no Islam...
    Good answer. It's silly for Europeans to worship a desert god or name their children after long-dead middle eastern nomads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berlichingen View Post
    Good answer. It's silly for Europeans to worship a desert god or name their children after long-dead middle eastern nomads.
    I myself am agnostic, however I feel like this is a bit silly. Christianity is a major influence on european cultures and ways of life. Entire cities were built after Christianity, beautiful cities. If you pull this card, then is it not silly for Europeans to worship a god of thunder or god of the seas?? Removing Abraham is removing almost 2,000 yrs of history and revising it completely. It would be so drastic that no one could truly tell you what would have happened.
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    It'd have to be somebody in recent history; otherwise we'd be eliminating ourselves. Everything that exists now exists because everything that went before happened precisely the way it did. Everything we do has causal ripples. Just sitting on a bench affects things: If you weren't occupying it, somebody else would be. But because you're there, that other person has to alter his plans, however slightly. This means that he meets different people than he otherwise would (even if it's only by sitting on a different bench they would otherwise have sat on) and similarly affects their daily routines. These people then go on to slightly influence the routines of other people, and the number increases exponentially.

    The thing is, this ripple effect doesn't stop: it technically goes on forever. Some ripples combine with others to create major events, such as a death (or saving of a life) that wouldn't otherwise have happened. Different people will meet and have different children than they otherwise would. In the end, the prolific inventors/statesmen/philosophers etc. that define our culture would end up not being born, while others that never existed in our timeline would exist.

    The further back you go, the greater the effect on our present (since causal ripples spread, overlap with each other, even rebound with themselves). If you kill Abraham, you alter the entire history of the Jews, which will alter their causal relation with every race they've encountered. Our ancestors met and mated with each other, in part, because of causal ripples that originated from the Jews (and every other nation we've had contact with), so we'd basically be eliminating our own ancestry.

    The best thing to do would be to eliminate a more recent figure (it takes a while for causal ripples to spread -- especially throughout the world -- and pick up momentum, so for a few decades, maybe even centuries, minor actions probably wouldn't affect too much).

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    I would be fine with most 20th century figures not existing, to be frank, and if that includes you and me, so be it.

    The key, really, is to put our people on a path that leads to success instead of destruction. That means avoiding the world wars and the depredations of the Jews. That's why, if I had my way, the patriarch of the Rothschild clan would meet his doom before puberty, before he had a chance to breed the evil that became their dynasty. Having to pick one person is difficult.. because their entire race has poisoned our people, but to cut the main artery of their financing power would be significant, and might prove to be the difference for us.

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    Hitler. Sorry....I hate that POS. Loving your people is one thing....doing what he did is something else entirely. Half the problems in Israel now that extend to the rest of the Middle East....and by default to the rest of the Western World stem from the fact that the Jews got relocated to Israel after the war.

    I know a lot of people on Skadi admire him. I will not try to change anyone's mind about that as long as no one gives me grief for my feelings about him.

    Are there other historical figures? Yes, I am sure there are many.....but Hitler is the most recent example I can think of.

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