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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    I don't believe in any kind of soul or spirit, but Christians do, and they believe all souls are fundamentally equal. To them, this imaginary core transcends any kind of physical or material difference. Every human is the Christian's brother, because every human has a 'soul' and there are no races of the soul, no divisions whatsoever. This is basically the source of Christian universalism: it's the common ground between all men, and it's what makes all men essentially equal.
    "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal.." Declaration of Independence

    Those words "all men are created equal" as penned by Thomas Jefferson have been confused and confounded by the subversive to imply that men, being created equal must also be equal in ability. This has been the great error in egalitarian thinking. What all men are equal in is the fact that we all enter the world dumb, and blind and must develop our senses by experience and instruction. A baby born of the highest ancestry and one of the lowest, both left alone in the woods to survive, without human contact could not even devolope to the intellect of a savage. It would even be a stretch to call them human. Without a cultural framework to ground itself in, the myth of race supremacy in the biological sense is a fraud.
    The differences in races arise from culture and culture itself has always been the greatest where there is a unified folk, which itself is a union of races. The effeminacy of man is no new thing either, being a product of men that began to think subjectively. In the past our men did not see race as the stable reality that women see it as. For this reason women control the selection process as they are Natures natural preservers, not man.

    All men are also equal under what the same founders understood to be the the "infinite laws of Nature". In which we may easily observe that a law exists that does not discriminate whether you are a despot or a saint, king or criminal, Scottsman or Pygmy, man or woman, fat or thin. Whether you revere the law or deny its existence it matters not. It moves upon those which are ignorant as well as those which are wise and makes no distinction between an honest man or a liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindefense View Post
    "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal.." Declaration of Independence

    Those words "all men are created equal" as penned by Thomas Jefferson have been confused and confounded by the subversive to imply that men, being created equal must also be equal in ability. This has been the great error in egalitarian thinking.
    I didn't refer to this. I know Christians don't think all people are equal in ability. They do, however, think all people are morally equal under God. To visit any kind of indignity on a man, regardless of his ability, is wrong to the eye of a good Christian.

    What all men are equal in is the fact that we all enter the world dumb, and blind and must develop our senses by experience and instruction. A baby born of the highest ancestry and one of the lowest, both left alone in the woods to survive, without human contact could not even devolope to the intellect of a savage. It would even be a stretch to call them human. Without a cultural framework to ground itself in, the myth of race supremacy in the biological sense is a fraud.
    This isn't what is meant at all. As I said a couple of posts back, when Christians talk about equality, they mean equal under God, equal as 'human beings', God's children, equal in our capacity for 'good' and 'evil', equal in our partaking of original sin etc. This focus on the soul, on what's 'under the skin' in combination with separation of sin from sinner essentially reduces any inherent difference between man and man to nil in the mind of the Christian. On top of this, Christians prefer the meek, the diseased (physically and spiritually), the depraved, because through them the Christian can prove to God his piousness. 'Equal in spirit but unequal in body' sets the Christian an imperative to favour the disadvantaged of God's children. A Christian parent prefers the child with Down Syndrome, the Christian politician prefers the refugee etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittmann View Post
    Would everyone stop assuming that of all Christians? Just because there have been some neo-Christian nuts who have tried to take words either far too literally, or have almost "rewrote" the Bible in their minds? What about the rest of us who say, "I'm Christian, be whatever you want, I don't care, and I think that there are genetic differences in people, and that the strong will dominate the weak". The Bible did not say "Shell out for the poor", it said "help the less fortunate", which means people who are down on their luck not by their own hand, a neighbor who was in a car wreck because of some drunk and can't work, not the lazy bum who doesn't want to work!
    My remarks addressed Christian concepts, not Christians.

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    Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin.
    Borte bra, hjemme best

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    If You Could Go Back in Time and Eliminate a Historical Figure, Who Would It Be?

    I would have to say (and with considerable glee in my voice when doing so)...

    Mohammed.

    Think of how much better the world would have been and would be without this miserable wretch every having existed to spread his hate around the world.

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    Abraham. I means, if there was no Abraham, there would be no jews. No jews means no Marx, no Communism, no Multiculturalism and no problems.

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    My answer would be Karl Marx, sorry Karl but your ideals killed more people all over the world with your fantasy of fairness and no classes of people. Millions upon millions probably in the hundreds of millions of people killed for no other reason than to equate all people's. Only problem, there is no fairness in this world. no matter how much central planning is done, are you listening you fat slob michael moore, the people as individuals have more of a knowing of what to do to better there own lives than pinheads in a state capital. When was the last time anybody thought, Oh today was a great day everybody was treated fairly and equal, I have never heard that.

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    I would agree with everyone saying Karl Marx. If it wasn't for the Russian revolution of 1917, the world would be a much better place.

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    I truly think karl marx actually meant well. I don't think he wanted to wipe out germanic people but yes it would be him to be killed. Either him or winston churchill. Theat guy was a pompous butcher.

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    I have thought about this for quite a while, and read the thread doing so. Interesting read ^^ But i think most choices you made are way too obvious for such an interesting thought experiment.

    Strangely most people that come to my mind are saints : St. Patrick, St Paul, St Benedict..........

    Gayus Julius Cesar is also an interesting choice, without him the roman empire might have never included france and england. On the other hand the varus-battle might have never happened, and that was certainly an important influence in uniting the german tribes for the first time.
    Can i shoot him (to find out what happens) and then later decide upon the result if it was really a good idea and if not stop myself ?

    Constantine is also interesting, without him christianity would have probably stayed a small sect. Same rule then with cesar though ^^

    How about the father of Tut Ankh Amun, Amenhotep IV later known as Akhenaten? He made Amun the most important religion in old egypt. That religion had a major influence on all 3 monotheistic world religions. Without him we would have no islam, no christianity AND no jews, thats 3 for the price of one, can anybody beat that?

    How about pope Gregor the second for the inquisition ?



    I will think about this some more, i am sure i will find a few more interesting choices ^^

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