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    Whereas I believe that there is no death, and that we are probably condemned to re-enter the cycle of life and rebirth, I suppose it is possible for some to escape the cycle by having advanced far enough to become angels. But the precondition is faith that it is possible.

    Heaven is illogical. If it existed, and a person were "good" enough to merit entering, he/she would refuse to do so until the last survivor of all suffering humanity had entered Heaven before him or her. This is the Arhat doctrine of Buddhism.

    Hell, on the other hand, is not illogical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralf Rossa View Post
    Why not?
    And I presume you know that wm mauer isnt claiming to be a physical decendant of Abraham in the way the original jews where, but a Spiritual one, for when the Pharisses where claiming to be decendants of Abraham and the promise,(that they would inherit the earth), Jesus told them that a decendant of Abraham wasnt one who was circumcised in the flesh, but one who was circumcised in the heart, in fact he said God could raise decendants of Abraham from the stones that lay on the ground.

    This was the promise that all nations would bless themselves on account of Abraham, right from the start this was Gods intention.
    All nations include Germany, and how Germany embraced that invitation, being foremost in overthrowing the bonds of Catholicism starting the Protestant church with Lutheranism and Calvanism, maybe this is a reason Germany has done so well in the world despite the attentions of those who are jealous over the loss of thier position.
    This is why you ended up with the New Testament, because the traditional religion of the ancient Jews was simply unpalatable to the Aryan peoples. This is why that Christ fellow acts so much like the Buddha, who, unlike Christ, was an Aryan himself.

    As for Germans embracing the murderous religion of the Jews, it must be remembered that a majority of them did so out of fear of being put to the sword if they didn't. So much for Christianity being the religion of love.
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    He's one of the smartest men alive. Why is it surprising he doesn't believe in something most people with Down's Syndrome don't even believe in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    wm mauer wrote,


    The answer to your question may be found here,
    http://www.white-history.com/



    The god that all Christians, Jews, and Muslims worship is the exact same god. In fact, Christians and Muslims are nothing but heretical Jews when you come right down to it.

    As for Christ, all his attributes were originally those of the Buddha.
    I may check out your link. Thank you for that. Again I respectfully disagree with you that the jew god is the same as the Christian God.

    As for the repeating of your belief concerning the interchangability of the different "religions'" God, I must politely decline to ride that merry go round with you.

    If you want to persist, please do not clog the broadband here with it. I will accommodate you with some debate in IM, if you really want to get off the Grandstand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wm mauer
    Quote Originally Posted by velvet
    If you're German, you cannot be a descendent of YHWE, thats the point.
    Ok let's dialogue. Please, show to me the proof, as best as you may have it, if one is German one cannot be a descandant of YAHWEH. To start with where did the Germans come from? Did they just appear in Germania or did they migrate there from somewhere?
    They certainly migrated at one point from the East, but apart from the Sumerians, who invented scripture and civilisation in the Middle East (rather in close promitiy to the Black Sea from the North), in that corner of the World there were neither Indo-Europeans and even less Germanics, because the Germanic ethnogenesis took indeed place in Europe already.

    In the White History source you may find a lot of answers to where Germanics / Aryans came from and where they went. It's a work in progress though.


    Quote Originally Posted by wm mauer
    Quote Originally Posted by velvet
    Nope, then there will simply be nothing, no eggs and also no more embarrassment, just nothingness
    I accept your position, but I respectfully do not agree. I hope this is ok with you.
    I referred to your if-question in case the others are right. I just corrected your assumption that there then still would be eggs, which isnt the case.


    Quote Originally Posted by wm mauer
    LOL not whining. I've seen many aspersions cast as i delved into the board. If I am not called a xtian, jew, son of a jew, or my God is a jew god, or that my god is the same as the ju god ( whatever that is) or that my god is the same as the moslem god, then I most certainly won't have to whine very much.
    Well, the point is that your god is the same god as the one of Muslims and Jews.

    Personally, I could say much about the level of herecy spawned by the various sects of Judaism, where I must say that the Muslims at least have the dignity and call their version by his name (even though this name is derived from Elohim, which is plural, and also from their former, pagan moon goddess whose name I forgot, hence the moon on their mosques), the Jews call him by his name, just the Christians have distanced themselves so far from their god that they dont even dare to call him by his name, which is YHWE (speak: jachwe, ch like in chime) and instead call him god, a word that is unique to Germanics and means something completely different than what christianity made of it.

    Before the dawn of christianity, the gods were exclusive to the peoples who followed them, before the dawn of christianity, divine descent was reserved to kings -> leaders of this folk. The divine blood remained within the folk.

    Christianity still carries this notion in reference to the chosen ones, which are the Jews, because YHWE is their god.

    You can worship him, you can follow the Jewish religion, but you are not a descendent of YHWE because you dont share Jewish blood which is YHWE's blood.

    The Jews know this, the christians deny it because they believe in the words of revenge against the world of Paul, who spawned Judaism light on the Goyim to enslave them and told them that YHWE now is universal ('catholic').

    But it remains, sorry to say and no offence meant, an absurd idea through and through.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    He's one of the smartest men alive. Why is it surprising he doesn't believe in something most people with Down's Syndrome don't even believe in?
    And why are other people's personal opinions so important to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    And why are other people's personal opinions so important to you?
    I don't understand the question. Since there've been 5 pages straight of people complaining about Stephen Hawking's personal opinions, I'm not sure why the question is being directed at me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wm mauer View Post
    Brother, I will check out your link. Thank you for that. Again I respectfully disagree with you that the jew god is the same as the Christian God.

    As for the repeating of your belief concerning the interchangability of the different "religions'" God, I must politely decline to ride that merry go round with you.

    If you want to persist, please do not clog the broadband here with it. I will accommodate you with some debate in IM, if you really want to get off the Grandstand.
    The March of the Titans site is a very good one, and does an exemplary job of chronically the history of the Aryan peoples. Hopefully, it can and will answer your questions concerning the origins of the Germans.

    Also, I'm not your "brother."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thors Hammer View Post
    No they are ideas, not tales, though they are theories.
    Ideas that have never been proven except with very dubious and meager "evidence".
    They have still yet to be proven even beyond 10%, therefore just as easily fairy tales as well.

    Religions are also ideas but are based on mythology created by man (to explain natures laws exoterically), and many actually believe the myths.
    Scientific theories are also ideas but are based on mythology created by man (to explain natures laws exoterically), and many actually believe the myths.

    But since men came up with what the "other side" is meant to be like, I can easily believe the "afterlife" is not like what they claim as they themselves know nothing for certain about an afterlife.
    Since you have not seen it for yourself, nor any living man, you are not at liberty to claim anything.
    It is very easy to understand:

    We will never know what comes after life until we die.
    There really is no point in even arguing this.

    However, for myself, I choose to acknowledge the possibility of continued existence, whereas you argue as if you are 100% sure that there isn't.

    Good for them if they want to believe in stories. Hawking's non belief in an afterlife is not necessarily due to his illness.
    We can only wonder what his belief system would have been if he were not confined to that wheelchair.

    ...but I think alot are just small minded to things they don't fully understand.
    How "fully" does your own mind understand it? The only logical response to all this would be to say: "There is just as much of a possibility for continued existence after death as there isn't". Maybe heaven exists, maybe it doesn't. The question I always ask is "Why not?".

    ...it's unfair but absurd statements that they will eventually be dealt with are moronic and I eqaute them with cowards unwilling (for what ever reason be it conscience, fear of what the law will do, etc) to do anything about scum.
    How is your above statement any less absurd?
    So far you have provided just as much evidence for your opinion as that of Hawking, which is absolutely nothing.

    As far your accusation of cowardice, how would expect the average, presently enslaved Germanic to even begin to punish the scum that hurts our people?

    Not really believing in anything because you’re afraid is pathetic.
    You have to accept BOTH possibilities if you cannot provide solid evidence for the one you follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    I don't understand the question. Since there've been 5 pages straight of people complaining about Stephen Hawking's personal opinions, I'm not sure why the question is being directed at me.
    You wrote,
    He's one of the smartest men alive. Why is it surprising he doesn't believe in something most people with Down's Syndrome don't even believe in?
    I guess "smart" people are atheists in the same way that they are also socialists and communists, because they are just so smart, right?

    As has been said previously in this thread, atheism is just a religion for eggheads and armchair know-it-alls.
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