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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticdoctor
    Oh ya? Well I swear there is no Heaven! mmm... But I pray there is no Hell!!
    Yes, I remember that song too: "And When I Die" by Blood, Sweat, & Tears, from the album "Blood, Sweat, & Tears", recorded, I believe, in 1968, but released 1969. It got a lot of air play here.

    Doesn't seem as long ago as 1968/69. Time flies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thors Hammer View Post
    Why are people getting all worked up over this? Face it people places like Valhalla, Heaven, Elysium, Mag Mell, Hell, etc are tales invented by man.
    Agnosticism, atheism, evolution, etc. Are tales invented by man, and are also no less or more, THEORIES.

    ...and so there aren't multiple posts of people saying basically the same and patting each other on the back.
    Like you have just done for yourself here.

    I'm not denying there being an afterlife of physicality, but are they like the tales created by man? I doubt it.
    Since you have not possibly seen what the other side looks like, your own opinion is just as inconclusive.
    There is no way to know for sure until you actually die.

    Someone posted that it's ironic that Hawking with his illness doesn't see the "hand of a higher power looking out for his recovery", no it isn't ironic its him being a realist that no guy in the sky will help him out, it's a shame other people spend their whole lives thinking if they worship a deity they might get better.
    In spite of his unfortunate illness Hawking still has not even come close to suffering the worst a human has suffered.
    There have been countless others who have agonized far more and still their belief remained unshaken.

    The man from the Xtian voice said "people who believe in an afterlife aren't afraid of death". I highly disagree, there are many people who choose to believe in an afterlife because they are scared to die.
    And atheists can be said to fear the possibility of going to hel to suffer the consequences, which is why they are as equally fervent in denouncing the possibility of a heaven.

    Honestly, do you really wish to think that the enemies of our people, who are responsible for the tortuous deaths of hundreds of millions of Germanics, and ultimately our culture, do not ultimately suffer for their crimes? Because they certainly haven't suffered for it in this life.

    Now these people range from all religions e.g. people who reject xtianity but are still afraid of death so follow a faith like Asatru and change from heaven to Valhalla, these people are pathetic, as is anybody who follows a faith because they are afraid of death.
    Since I KNOW you that you have NOT seen what may, or may not come after death, your calling people pathetic only makes YOU come across like the ass here.

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    The all night Discussion

    While on a very long flight I once had a discussion with a Roman Catholic priest who confided, that Heaven the Home of Souls was not what simple folk believed it to be. The Soul detached from the mortal body has no memory, no recognition and no other characteristics but its innate morality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    This is wrong, the Jews did not reject their god, they only rejected the alleged son of that god. The Christian god is still YHWE, which you should know since you claim to be "a son of YAH" as well.

    Are you a Jew? No offence, but claiming descent from the Jewish god is rather weird for a Germanic. And also questions your remark that it is the blood that ties. If you're Germanic, you cant be a descendent of YHWE


    Btw, when Jesus called the priest caste 'sons of the devil', he actually spoke of YHWE, that same god that Christians still worship and call him the god of love (read the bible once more and count the dead and how cruel they died and all the revenge and hate this god poured out upon the earth, from the millions and millions killed in the name of this god not to start).
    No I am no jew. Can't reconcile being German & Christian? Well, no one ever said discernment was a blessing equally bestowed to all. And I am just an American, too. Maybe that is the source of my confusion.

    If I am wrong on what I base my eternity on, at the end of the line I will be embarrassed & have egg on my face. If the other side is wrong they will have their risks, too.

    "Are you a jew?. No offense..." LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Agnosticism, atheism, evolution, etc. Are tales invented by man, and are also no less or more, THEORIES.
    No they are ideas, not tales, though they are theories. Religions are also ideas but are based on mythology created by man (to explain natures laws exoterically), and many actually believe the myths.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Since you have not possibly seen what the other side looks like, your own opinion is just as inconclusive.
    There is no way to know for sure until you actually die.
    But since men came up with what the "other side" is meant to be like, I can easily believe the "afterlife" is not like what they claim as they themselves know nothing for certain about an afterlife.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    In spite of his unfortunate illness Hawking still has not even come close to suffering the worst a human has suffered.
    There have been countless others who have agonized far more and still their belief remained unshaken.
    Good for them if they want to believe in stories. Hawking's non belief in an afterlife is not necessarily due to his illness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    And atheists can be said to fear the possibility of going to hel to suffer the consequences, which is why they are as equally fervent in denouncing the possibility of a heaven.
    I think you mean Hell not Hel and you are right some non-believers can be afraid of their actions being decided upon in an afterlife, but I think alot are just small minded to things they don't fully understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Honestly, do you really wish to think that the enemies of our people, who are responsible for the tortuous deaths of hundreds of millions of Germanics, and ultimately our culture, do not ultimately suffer for their crimes? Because they certainly haven't suffered for it in this life.
    Unfortunately no I do not believe they suffer for their crimes against our race, just as life many people get away with crimes, it's unfair but absurd statements that they will eventually be dealt with are moronic and I eqaute them with cowards unwilling (for what ever reason be it conscience, fear of what the law will do, etc) to do anything about scum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Since I KNOW you that you have NOT seen what may, or may not come after death, your calling people pathetic only makes YOU come across like the ass here.
    Not really, believing in anything because you’re afraid is pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wm mauer
    No I am no jew. Can't reconcile being German & Christian? Well, no one ever said discernment was a blessing equally bestowed to all. And I am just an American, too. Maybe that is the source of my confusion.
    If you're German, you cannot be a descendent of YHWE, thats the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by wm mauer
    If I am wrong on what I base my eternity on, at the end of the line I will be embarrassed & have egg on my face. If the other side is wrong they will have their risks, too.
    Nope, then there will simply be nothing, no eggs and also no more embarrassment, just nothingness.


    Quote Originally Posted by wm mauer
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    Stop whining, when discussion comes to topics where there are opposing views, you better get yourself some robust skin or stay out of such discussions. Has nothing to do with "belittleing" or denigrating, but when you feel offended by opposing views, this seriously is your problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    If you're German, you cannot be a descendent of YHWE, thats the point.

    Ok let's dialogue. Please, show to me the proof, as best as you may have it, if one is German one cannot be a descandant of YAHWEH. To start with where did the Germans come from? Did they just appear in Germania or did they migrate there from somewhere?


    Nope, then there will simply be nothing, no eggs and also no more embarrassment, just nothingness.

    I accept your position, but I respectfully do not agree. I hope this is ok with you.



    Stop whining, when discussion comes to topics where there are opposing views, you better get yourself some robust skin or stay out of such discussions. Has nothing to do with "belittleing" or denigrating, but when you feel offended by opposing views, this seriously is your problem.

    LOL not whining. I've seen many aspersions cast as i delved into the board. If I am not called a xtian, jew, son of a jew, or my God is a jew god, or that my god is the same as the ju god ( whatever that is) or that my god is the same as the moslem god, then I most certainly won't have to whine very much.

    Skadi doesnt delete accounts btw.

    Very well, ok I have a reservoir of discipline that I can draw from, if need be. I walked from SF I can walk again.
    I really hope to become one of the true (is it here?) Germany community whose spirit may permeate this board. Please forgive me if I ever offend. The last thing I want to do is to turn away a brother as the world darkens around us.

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    wm mauer wrote,
    Ok let's dialogue. Please, show to me the proof, as best as you may have it, if one is German one cannot be a descandant of YAHWEH. To start with where did the Germans come from? Did they just appear in Germania or did they migrate there from somewhere?
    The answer to your question may be found here,
    http://www.white-history.com/

    LOL not whining. I've seen many aspersions cast as i delved into the board. If I am not called a xtian, jew, son of a jew, or my God is a jew god, or that my god is the same as the ju god ( whatever that is) or that my god is the same as the moslem god, then I most certainly won't have to whine very much.
    The god that all Christians, Jews, and Muslims worship is the exact same god. In fact, Christians and Muslims are nothing but heretical Jews when you come right down to it.

    As for Christ, all his attributes were originally those of the Buddha.
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    The Germans, like all Europeans, are descendants of the ancient Indo-Europeans. They're not Semites.

    I think the Europeans during the Biblical times - especially the Greeks and Romans - would find it kinda insulting if you suggested that they're descendants of a desert tribe like the Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    If you're German, you cannot be a descendent of YHWE, thats the point.



    .
    Why not?
    And I presume you know that wm mauer isnt claiming to be a physical decendant of Abraham in the way the original jews where, but a Spiritual one, for when the Pharisses where claiming to be decendants of Abraham and the promise,(that they would inherit the earth), Jesus told them that a decendant of Abraham wasnt one who was circumcised in the flesh, but one who was circumcised in the heart, in fact he said God could raise decendants of Abraham from the stones that lay on the ground.

    This was the promise that all nations would bless themselves on account of Abraham, right from the start this was Gods intention.
    All nations include Germany, and how Germany embraced that invitation, being foremost in overthrowing the bonds of Catholicism starting the Protestant church with Lutheranism and Calvanism, maybe this is a reason Germany has done so well in the world despite the attentions of those who are jealous over the loss of thier position.

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