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    Believe it or not, as a CHRISTian I can appreciate the views of those that do not share my faith, but when people belittle MY God by using substitutions (x) or names that we as Christains do not accept, it tends to stir my ire. While I understand that this is an internet forum that is of mixed religions and beliefs, I would appreciate the same respect that I give to others in their beliefs returned to me with same. That being said those with strong faith will not be shaken by those that scoff, as it is written.

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    I don't scoff at other people's religious beliefs. They are entitled to their beliefs and what they believe is not my business. What I object to is when and where believers in one form of religion or other try to force their beliefs on others who are not believers, such as me. I really don't care what people believe as long as they don't try to impose their beliefs on me, or others like me. I don't force or impose my personal beliefs on others and I don't see why they should try and force or impose their personal beliefs on me or those like me who share similar or the same beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingvaeonic View Post
    I don't scoff at other people's religious beliefs. They are entitled to their beliefs and what they believe is not my business. What I object to is when and where believers in one form of religion or other try to force their beliefs on others who are not believers, such as me. I really don't care what people believe as long as they don't try to impose their beliefs on me, or others like me.
    I agree whole-heartedly, I would never try to "preach someone into submission", if anything I let people know I'm a christian and if they wish to know something I tell them what I know concerning there request. And yes I know there are many christians out there that believe everyone needs to hear about fire and brimstone to the point they're screaming at you. I just ask for respect as a fellow germanic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuchulainn View Post
    I agree whole-heartedly, I would never try to "preach someone into submission", if anything I let people know I'm a christian and if they wish to know something I tell them what I know concerning there request. And yes I know there are many christians out there that believe everyone needs to hear about fire and brimstone to the point they're screaming at you. I just ask for respect as a fellow germanic
    You and your beliefs have my respect as a fellow Germanic, certainly religious tolerance and freedom of belief and worship among Germanic peoples are Germanic values, and they will continue to be respected as long as no-one attempts to force or impose them on me or those like me. This is not a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    He said: “I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken-down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.”
    I very much agree with Hawking's first sentence. I dislike his second sentence, though. I don't think being afraid is the reason people believe in an afterlife. In order to believe something, you can't just wish it true. I would like there to be life beyond death. The thought that someday I'll be nothing is scary, but it can't foster belief in the existence of an afterlife by itself. I would need to truly believe it, which I can't bring myself to do.

    Also, the comment exudes bitterness. It's that kind of attitude I wish other nonreligious people would do without.

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    You can't get there from here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ingvaeonic View Post
    As one famous Australian atheist said: "When you know there is no heaven, you don't fear hell."

    Quite right.
    Oh ya? Well I swear there is no Heaven! mmm... But I pray there is no Hell!!

    Really dudes, this whole thing is ridiculous. Atheism itself is a "religion".
    Stephen Hawking is really an incredible person. One I admire immensely.
    Even though he is totally paralyzed, except for his eye-balls, he managed to
    get married and have a couple of kids. Now that is my kind of Hero.
    But Dr Hawking can no more prove there is no "afterlife", than a tub-thumping, jeezuz-jumping, mecca-bowing, golem-worshiping, navel-gazing,
    transcendental-transcending, kama-sutra screwing, animalistic-animistic
    religious person can prove there is an "afterlife".

    Ha ha, for that matter, "Science" is a religion. It has "high priests", "temples", rituals, vestments, relics, doctrine, dogma and they burn heretics at the stake. Trust me, as an apostate scientistian, my cloths are still smoldering from the last auto-da-fe'.
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    Actually, from a Biblical perspective, the fellas quite right, though he obviously isnt as clever as his Dalek voice would have us belive else he would know that, for the Bible says, "dust you are, and to dust you will return"
    "There is no knowledge or wisdom or devising in Sheol, the place to which you are going" "for a live dog is better than a dead lion"
    "The living know that they will die, but as for the dead, they know nothing at all"

    Yes indeed, Gods punishment for man was death.
    Well done Steven, you actually got something right, though probably by accident.

    Of course, and like most Christians who belive you do carry on living elsewhere, (the Devils original lie by the way), he neglects the concept of the Ressurection to life after the end of Jesus 1000 year reign, something hes going to find himself ineligible for if he carries on trying to convince everyone God doesnt exist.

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    Having his opinions published has apparently caused Hawking to overestimate their importance. No matter how intelligent anyone may deem him to be, he cannot know the unknowable.

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    Why are people getting all worked up over this? Face it people places like Valhalla, Heaven, Elysium, Mag Mell, Hell, etc are tales invented by man. Before anybody starts getting all worked up over this (and so there aren't multiple posts of people saying basically the same and patting each other on the back), I'm not denying there being an afterlife of physicality, but are they like the tales created by man? I doubt it.

    Someone posted that it's ironic that Hawking with his illness doesn't see the "hand of a higher power looking out for his recovery", no it isn't ironic its him being a realist that no guy in the sky will help him out, it's a shame other people spend their whole lives thinking if they worship a deity they might get better.

    The man from the Xtian voice said "people who believe in an afterlife aren't afraid of death". I highly disagree, there are many people who choose to believe in an afterlife because they are scared to die. Now these people range from all religions e.g. people who reject xtianity but are still afraid of death so follow a faith like Asatru and change from heaven to Valhalla, these people are pathetic, as is anybody who follows a faith because they are afraid of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wm mauer
    Jews rejected the Christian God. I bet you didn't know that Christ called the jews sons of the devil.
    This is wrong, the Jews did not reject their god, they only rejected the alleged son of that god. The Christian god is still YHWE, which you should know since you claim to be "a son of YAH" as well.

    Are you a Jew? No offence, but claiming descent from the Jewish god is rather weird for a Germanic. And also questions your remark that it is the blood that ties. If you're Germanic, you cant be a descendent of YHWE


    Btw, when Jesus called the priest caste 'sons of the devil', he actually spoke of YHWE, that same god that Christians still worship and call him the god of love (read the bible once more and count the dead and how cruel they died and all the revenge and hate this god poured out upon the earth, from the millions and millions killed in the name of this god not to start).
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