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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Well it must be remembered that for Jews, along with Christians, Muslims, and Buddhists, the highest aim of spirituality is "reunion" with the godhead, aka the Second Death. In other words absolute destruction of their consciousnesses.

    I posted this link elsewhere, but thought it may be worth reposting here,

    Consciousness Beyond Life
    by Pim van Lommel

    http://www.harpercollins.com/books/C...=9780061777257

    With all due respect equating them with God or even a watered down "godhead" cannot be imagined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wm mauer View Post
    With all due respect equating them with God or even a watered down "godhead" cannot be imagined.
    Well Christians, Muslims, and Jews all worship the same god.

    As for Buddhism, it was originally a form of ethical training, and only later degenerated into a religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Well Christians, Muslims, and Jews all worship the same god.

    As for Buddhism, it was originally a form of ethical training, and only later degenerated into a religion.
    wow, I'm speechless. The edomite jews rejected The Christ, or did you not know this? That's kinda what the crucifixion was all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wm mauer View Post
    wow, I'm speechless. The edomite jews rejected The Christ, or did you not know this? That's kinda what the crucifixion was all about.
    Sorry, I'm not a Xtian, so this stuff really doesn't interest me.
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    Stephen Hawking has been saying some stupid things over the past years now. Didn't he just say recently that Humanity is in the possible threat of being invaded by aliens?

    Atheists have been saying there is no afterlife, blah blah blah blah for a long time. If Hawking thinks what he says is new and original, then I really have to put in doubt his intelligence.

    Here's something H.P. Lovecraft had to say on the matter:

    All I say is that I think it is damned unlikely that anything like a central cosmic will, a spirit world, or an eternal survival of personality exist [sic]. They are the most preposterous and unjustified of all the guesses which can be made about the universe, and I am not enough of a hair-splitter to pretend that I don't regard them as arrant and negligible moonshine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Sorry, I'm not a Xtian, so this stuff really doesn't interest me.
    Well, if it ever does, there is a lot to discover. Jews rejected the Christian God. I bet you didn't know that Christ called the jews sons of the devil.

    I appreciate that there are pagans & odinists & others here. I strive not to offend any of them for our blood is the tie that binds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wm mauer View Post
    Well, if it ever does, there is a lot to discover. Jews rejected the Christian God. I bet you didn't know that Christ called the jews sons of the devil.

    I appreciate that there are pagans & odinists & others here. I strive not to offend any of them for our blood is the tie that binds.
    Actually, it's very doubtful that the historical Jesus called the Jews the Devil because the Jews didn't have the conception of a Devil that the later Christians had. The origin of the word Satan is derived from the Hebrew phrase Ha-Satan, which wasn't the name of any actual being, but the name of a vocation, that of an accuser.

    My favorite story involving Christ comes from one of the gnostic sects. It relates how Christ was not the son of the Jewish god Yahweh, but actually the son of the Serpent from the Garden of Eden. In the gnostic retelling of the myth, the Serpent in the Garden of Eden saw man spiritually enslaved to Yahweh and took pity on his plight. To free him free him from his spiritual bondage, the Serpent gave man knowledge and thereby gave him the power to free himself. Later Christ, as the son of the Serpent, was born to carry out this same task.

    Personally, I'm not interested in other people's religious views, as that is their own business, and most certainly none of mine.
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    As one famous Australian atheist said: "When you know there is no heaven, you don't fear hell."

    Quite right.

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    Well, I believe there IS an afterlife so I pray for him that he turns around so he ends up at the right one.


    His new comments came in reference to his illness, which struck at 21 and left him almost completely paralysed, expected to die in a few years.
    Seems kind of an irony that he doesn't see the hands of a higher power watching from above in his recovery, that it actually made him less believing in an afterlife.
    I appreciate that there are pagans & odinists & others here. I strive not to offend any of them for our blood is the tie that binds.
    I also agree with that but I think it would be interesting to see how athiests, pagans those who have different beliefs symphasise with him.

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    I can't pray for him as I am not a believer in the Big Guy in the Sky; indeed, I agree with the quoted atheist and Hawking. Death is a full-stop at the end of a sentence.

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