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    Simobog summed up my own opinions very nicely. National Socialism cannot work without a common blood between the people of your state. Libertarianism is much more realistic. NS should remain a dream for now, until the time is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog View Post
    Historical NS was not like this, any Jew with enough money and friends could even get into the SS.
    Can you name one?
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    ouch. That wasn't really called for.

    So you disagree with my point, fine. But you just trying to say I didn't make a point is just dodging and so now you resort to kindergarten insults? I am disappointed.
    Yes, it was, and you started it, not me.

    What point? That NS is a collective ideology? Yes, it is. I already said so.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    Sorry, I say you are wrong. There is no collective without the individual first. Individuals make up any collective and the well-being of the individual is the health of the collective.
    It also flows into the other direction, a healthy collective provides a healthy environment in which individuals can do better than in a bad collective environment.

    And when an individual damages the collective, it damages all other individuals too.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    Now I think you didn't read my post about how I will not doing buisness with those who hire illegally imported labor.
    You maybe not, and maybe the 1 people per square kilometer in Alaska, but what about the city people? Do you think you can transfer that simply to a 1mio or 5mio people city?

    And again, you'd have no means to prevent anyone from importing cheap labor, because other people will still buy his services and goods, also because they are cheaper than yours, and you have no means to prevent anyone from doing so.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    I don't dump on my people, I try to uplift them with the news that they are born free in nature and at liberty to reach whatever heights their talents allow.
    Well, in fact, it is not their talent that decides how far they come, it is the parents' income. Once your dream of all privatised schools is reality, it will cost lots of money to buy your child a place there, and when you then dont earn enough, it is perfectly irrelevant how smart your kid is. No money - no school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    As I said in earlier posts, I myself (like the hard-working young man who began this thread) have spent years working at day-labor and agricultural labor to save enough money to purchase my own property and develop the skills to better my station in life. This land is the land of opportunity! No one can make someone fail but themselves.
    That's fine for you, and it may work in a land of 1people per sk, but it becomes increasingly harder the more people live there.

    My main problem anyway is not that America has this system, it's your people's problem, my concern is that America thinks it would be a good idea to impose this system onto the world, regardless of whether we want that or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    What is good for the tree is good for the forest. There is no forest without individual trees.
    There's also no forest when individual trees damage the forest and make it die.

    When egotistic individuals step over everyone to live out their "rights" then this has nothing to do with rights that are agreed upon. The individual is better armed and forces others at gunpoint to follow suit, or they have more money and buy off the opportunities of others, who then have no more rights.

    In your system mutually assured rights do not exist, including the very basic human rights. They exist effectively only for those who have enough money to pay a lawyer to enforce their rights against other individuals who have limited their rights.

    I dont know where this is good? Either you have rights, then they exist always and independent of your income, or you have no rights unless you can buy them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    Socialism/collectivism is greedy and anti-social because it robs people at gunpoint to give their property to others. It is anti-social because it doesn't allow people to make their own choices. It is anti-social because free speech, private property, free enterprise, and self-determination are frowned at or made illegal.


    Aha, so Norway and the other Scandi countries are now "evil oppressive dictatorships" where the people are totally "unfree".

    Look, it doesnt become more true through repeating the same BS ad nauseam. And it is just that, big big Bullshit

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    Seriously, Velvet. Do misanthropes cares about society anyway?
    Misanthropes are the better humanists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    Those bailouts were a total travesty and the exposure of it brought many Americans to the camp of Libertarianism. The expansion of welfare to banks and money-changers shows the further socialization of America. I oppose it totally.
    It is just not socialism. It is a result of Liberal Free Market Capitalism, something that too many people fail to understand.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    Exactly. That is why the US bailed out those banks: because we are hijacked by socialists. "To big to fail" is what the government said.
    It is Capitalists who bought your country, including your govt, 100 years ago.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    My point is that what you are complaining about was actually socialism, not Free Market Capitalism.

    Your post above "In a socialist country the state's businesses are important and worth to be saved" shows that you already know that. The state can't let them fail because the state has a vested ownership in these companies. Socialism.
    Look, your govt is clown show of private people who pursue their own private interests, these private people are more often than not CEOs of private banks, and now these people sit at the place where they can grab the money of the tax payer without that anyone could do anything against this. It's not socialism, its greed of capitalists.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    I can not do buisness with him and neither will other like-minded individuals. He can't run a buisness without profits anymore than I can.
    But you're dependent on that ALL others share your opinion and can effort to pay the higher price at your shop/business, ie to boycott him. Who guarantees that all think this way and act accordingly?

    He'll just go into the next city and sell his products there, and no one will ask him whether he has hired cheaper immigrants, they will buy his products because they are cheaper than yours.

    The joys of a free market.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    Murder: no one has a right to murder another individual.
    Child molesting: no one has a right to harm my property ie my children. Their rights are an extension of my own.
    Stealing: no one has a right to steal another person's property. Only the government gets away with this.
    I said "rip off", not stealing. That can also happen, and does regularly, in the dreamland of "freedom of contract", after all, people are free to agree to whatever rip off deal they are forced, through their circumstances right now, because they need a job that they can take to the conditions of the employer or remain unemployed etc.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    No, we have a Republic ruled by law. We have a right to a trial by jury and punishment is withheld until a unanimous verdict of guilt based on evidence is effected. Not vigilantism. Lynch mobs are roving democracies, not republics. The governments job is to make sure that no one tramples on an individuals natural rights, including itself.
    We have a Republic too btw. FRG means Federal Republic of Germany. Just as a side note.

    How is your govt supposed to prevent an individual to trample on another's rights, when the govt is entirely disempowered to infringe on anyone's rights? After all, you would say the govt doesnt have to tell you how to live or behave, and that same "right" the other has too.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog
    Libertarianism doesn't promise utopia but freedom. Utopias are collectivist dreams.
    And this totalist freedom of everything goes is not an utopia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    When egotistic individuals step over everyone to live out their "rights" then this has nothing to do with rights that are agreed upon. The individual is better armed and forces others at gunpoint to follow suit, or they have more money and buy off the opportunities of others, who then have no more rights.

    In your system mutually assured rights do not exist, including the very basic human rights. They exist effectively only for those who have enough money to pay a lawyer to enforce their rights against other individuals who have limited their rights.

    I dont know where this is good? Either you have rights, then they exist always and independent of your income, or you have no rights unless you can buy them....

    My my, you make this way too complicated. You are woman, yes? Your goal is preservation, yes? For you it is a simple matter that does not require political crutches or ideological fantasies or even economic structures. It only needs you to be subjective and passionate. And the only choice Nature fitted you with for this sacred duty is, whether to open or close your legs.

    Further, I have learned three things from this forum: Women are the natural preservers of race and men, the natural destroyers. We men, must admit we are completely lost in this field and are incapable of doing with force or legislation what is second nature to women. and finally, women are always right even when they're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindefense
    Further, I have learned three things from this forum: Women are the natural preservers of race and men, the natural destroyers.
    Maybe men then should leave community building / maintaining to the women?

    It's what women always did, no women - no culture - no society. Men were out in the wild to hunt, they have no idea what a society needs, it's not their realm. The question is, when fell men for the hybris to decide about these structures despite them having no clue how it works, or even what purpose it serves?
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    Further, I have learned three things from this forum: Women are the natural preservers of race and men, the natural destroyers
    So Stolen!

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    My my, you make this way too complicated. You are woman, yes? Your goal is preservation, yes? For you it is a simple matter that does not require political crutches or ideological fantasies or even economic structures. It only needs you to be subjective and passionate. And the only choice Nature fitted you with for this sacred duty is, whether to open or close your legs.
    It's not that simple really. What we women want can be so much different in what you men want; and every thing has too do with you men opinions and getting you're own ways. Multicultrual Europe was a white man creations,had nothing to do with us white women; causing white women to intergrate with non- white men (what race of men would do such a thing?) ISLAM MEN WOULD NOT ALLOW SUCH A THING, AND THE ASIAN MEN ,THEY HAD KEPT THE WEST (white men) OUT FOR MANY CENTURIES! It was only white men that offered there white women to non white ethnics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Can you name one?
    Emil Maurice.

    Also, what does Hitler's Jewish chauffeur have to do with Libertarianism and the American body politic?
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    I now have a new label for libertarianism since there isn't anything really liberating about it. Instead it might as well be called a corporatocracy or corporatism for short because in the end that is all it ever really amounts to.
    National Socialism is the only salvation for Germanics and Europids everywhere. Capitalism, libertarianism, and communism is the enemy.

    National socialized collectivism must prevail over radical individualism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian View Post
    I now have a new label for libertarianism since there isn't anything really liberating about it. Instead it might as well be called a corporatocracy or corporatism for short because in the end that is all it ever really amounts to.
    And what is the Government? It's a monopoly. A socialist society is nothing but a monopoly controlled by one entity, just a bunch of corporations under a government.

    Remove the governments, and you lose monopolies or duopolies. Never in history has a company gained Market monopoly, or majority wihtout the help of government.

    "Oversights? The govt. has long been in bed
    with the Wall St. Execs and the firms that they've bled
    Capitalism is about Profit AND Loss
    If you bail out the losers then there's no end to the Cost
    With Political incentives, discretion's a joke
    Those dials you're twisting... just mirrors and smoke"

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