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    Why Libertarianism Must Not Take Hold In The United States

    By now with the announcement that Ron Paul is running for president everybody within the United States is looking for a another mythical messiah complex to come save the country socially and politically.

    My only rebuttal is that libertarianism is not the answer to the problems the United States face as it is even more radical than moderate capitalism which has already brought our nation to its knees.

    Libertarianism equals the privatization of everything when it concerns society's institutions and general public.

    If we are to take libertarianism to its end game strategy with the complete privatization of everything what were going to end up with is a massive oppressive private corporatist monstrosity in the place of government which will do nobody any good.

    What we really need is a entirely new third party altogether; one that speaks to the unifying organization of the collective and public welfare when it concerns any nation at all to which true nationalist positions are embraced.
    National Socialism is the only salvation for Germanics and Europids everywhere. Capitalism, libertarianism, and communism is the enemy.

    National socialized collectivism must prevail over radical individualism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian View Post
    By now with the announcement that Ron Paul is running for president everybody within the United States is looking for a another mythical messiah complex to come save the country socially and politically.

    My only rebuttal is that libertarianism is not the answer to the problems the United States face as it is even more radical than moderate capitalism which has already brought our nation to it's knees.

    Libertarianism equals the privatization of everything when it concerns society's institutions and general public.

    If we are to take libertarianism to it's end game strategy with the complete privatization of everything what were going to end up with is a massive oppressive private coporatist monstrosity in the place of government which will do nobody any good.

    What we really need is a entirely new third party altogether one that speaks to the unifying organization of the collective and public welfare when it concerns any nation at all to which true nationalist positions are embraced.



    I'm 23 and you are 24. In our lifetimes, once the moderate, liberal masses of our parents generations die off and their numerically-thin white offspring take their place, the U.S. will be close to or will be a minority-majority nation, as will Europe.


    Socialism is off the table.
    Collectivism is off the table.
    Advanced-Welfare is off the table.
    High-taxes are off the table.
    Financially-stable public institutions are off the table.

    Can one guess why?

    Money. Lack of money. The large white-earner populations are gone. Their children are too few. The masses of non-whites cannot be sustained any longer. Hence any notions of grandiose socialistic welfare policies which require massive taxation are absolutely going to be impossible. The only realistic option for whites then will be libertarianism. The abandonment of the by then corrupt, bankrupt government being replaced by what will basically be mass-enclaves of private fiefdoms of economic and judicial whiteness. That is the future or will be for some time at least until the authoritarians arrive and the renewal of the West can commence.

    I don't see how anybody with half a demographically-oriented brain can realistically think for a second that liberalism and the 'state' will be able to exist and prosper in a welfare-like system with a majority of non-whites. Hell, a city cannot even function when it is run by non-whites.....

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    Caledonian wrote,
    If we are to take libertarianism to it's end game strategy with the complete privatization of everything what were going to end up with is a massive oppressive private coporatist monstrosity in the place of government which will do nobody any good.
    Contrary to what the mercantilists/whigs will tell you, the free market is self-regulating and doesn't need to be policed by corrupt politicos like Hamilton, Lincoln, Wilson and Roosevelt.

    Also, anyone who relies on a "government" to do for them is, in reality, nothing more than a slave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Contrary to what the mercantilists/whigs will tell you, the free market is self-regulating and doesn't need to be policed by corrupt politicos like Hamilton, Lincoln, Wilson and Roosevelt.
    Complete and utter b-s. That argument assumes that either the market will always produce an if not perfect so at least acceptable outcome or that you see the market outcome as intrinsically moral and politically desirable and thus acceptable. Since the latter can be dismissed as fantasy it remains for you to prove the latter.

    Go and google for "public goods" or something and grow up.

    Also, anyone who relies on a "government" to do for them is, in reality, nothing more than a slave.
    Oh, grow up will you. The basics of n-person games is formation of coalitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Complete and utter b-s. That argument assumes that either the market will always produce an if not perfect so at least acceptable outcome or that you see the market outcome as intrinsically moral and politically desirable and thus acceptable. Since the latter can be dismissed as fantasy it remains for you to prove the latter.

    Go and google for "public goods" or something and grow up.



    Oh, grow up will you. The basics of n-person games is formation of coalitions.
    My my, aren't we testy.

    Sorry to cast aspersions on your statist fantasies, but the fact remains that this country's greatest years of prosperity were when we were on the gold standard. Of course if you prefer mencantilism, then that's your business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Contrary to what the mercantilists/whigs will tell you, the free market is self-regulating and doesn't need to be policed by corrupt politicos like Hamilton, Lincoln, Wilson and Roosevelt.

    Also, anyone who relies on a "government" to do for them is, in reality, nothing more than a slave.
    Utter BS. Greed and human nature are not "self-regulating" and neither are "free markets".

    The "unregulated free-market" = dog-eat-dog survival-of-the-fittest winner-takes-all.

    The end-result of this system run to its inevitable conclusion is oligarchies & monopoly capitalism. Extreme wealth & power for the very few. Extreme poverty and no security for the many.

    but the fact remains that this country's greatest years of prosperity were when we were on the gold standard.
    The USA's greatest years of prosperity were the times before it turned to the printing press to create "wealth". These were the times that the books were closer to balancing than they are today.

    It's irrelevant whether a "Communist", "Capitalist", "Socialist", "Anarcho-Capitalist" or "Hare Krishna" economic system were in place at the time. What is relevant is whether the National and Federal incomes & expenditures roughly balanced and were kept within manageable levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    Utter BS. Greed and human nature are not "self-regulating" and neither are "free markets".
    Two companies make the same product. One makes it better and cheaper and thus beats the competition. Not exactly rocket science.

    The "unregulated free-market" = dog-eat-dog survival-of-the-fittest winner-takes-all.
    See above.

    The end-result of this system run to its inevitable conclusion is oligarchies & monopoly capitalism. Extreme wealth & power for the very few. Extreme poverty and no security for the many.
    Spoken like a true Marxist!


    The USA's greatest years of prosperity were the times before it turned to the printing press to create "wealth". These were the times that the books were closer to balancing than they are today.
    Funny, you don't have a problem with government regulation of private industry, but you don't like the Fed? Something doesn't compute there.

    It's irrelevant whether a "Communist", "Capitalist", "Socialist", "Anarcho-Capitalist" or "Hare Krishna" economic system were in place at the time. What is relevant is whether the National and Federal incomes & expenditures roughly balanced and were kept within manageable levels.
    Well if you think it's irrelevant then....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Two companies make the same product. One makes it better and cheaper and thus beats the competition. Not exactly rocket science.
    Ten traders work the same town.

    Two of them sabotage, buy-out or shoot the other eight and then form a cartel to fix prices and eliminate potential competitors and challengers. These two traders beat the competition. They expressed true freedom and ruthless efficiency in one of its purest forms and succeeded to rise above the competition and earn the admiration and demi-god idol-worship from the Schopenhauer's of this world who believe that they will one day emulate and surpass their Libertarian heroes whilst crushing and enslaving their competitors.

    That is an example of what the real, unregulated, anarcho-capitalist freemarket world is.

    The Jewish Textbook version quoted by self-described US Libertarians = Disneyland Fantasy.

    Spoken like a true Marxist!
    - According to textbook Communists "we are all equal".
    - According to textbook US Libertarians "freemarkets are selfregulating".

    It's a toss up which of these two examples are more pitiable.

    Funny, you don't have a problem with government regulation of private industry, but you don't like the Fed? Something doesn't compute there.
    Not entirely sure what the big joke and mystery is.

    In the ideal system Government exists and is formed to serve the interests of the people which appointed it to coordinate, protect and regulate their society. No Government = No Regulation = No Rules = Anarchy = No Coordination. This is obviously unworkable.

    However:

    In our current Western systems the people serve a group consisting of Power and Control obsessed Plutocrats, Elites and Hereditary Parasites (Nobility for example) who wormed their way into Government in order to promote and further their own self-interests. This is very obviously a less than ideal situation. This is NOT what Government ought to be doing.

    In a system where a Nationalist Government rules in the best interests of the people it was appointed to rule there is no problem. Why would it be a problem for a Government working in the National Interest to protect and regulate its National Industries & Markets and to ensure that the Industries serve the interests of the State as opposed to the interests of the Internationalists?

    The Fed is a Private Bank serving the interests of a parasitic minority Private Elite, financed through wealth stolen from Citizens and kept in place through control over Lawmakers, the Courts and Armed Badge Wearing Thugs whose salaries are paid through taxes collected from this "protection" racket.

    What is there to like about it unless you're a Mobster, Zionist or Internationalist who get to feed from this trough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin
    I don't see how anybody with half a demographically-oriented brain can realistically think for a second that liberalism and the 'state' will be able to exist and prosper in a welfare-like system with a majority of non-whites. Hell, a city cannot even function when it is run by non-whites.....
    You should ask yourself why you should adapt to your beloved "free market capitalism" fraud and declare society and our race a failure that deserves to be given up in favour of the oligarchic NWO instead of standing up and kick out all the non-whites.

    It's a choice between your race and the future of your children and a fairy tale of a "self-regulating liberal free market capitalism" that proves since 300 years to be a failure and not to work the way it is promised in the fairy tale text books.

    Americans opt for their pseudo-freedoms and imagined, but non-existent, rights to own guns, while readily giving up their civilisation and the future of their race.

    Why dont you take your guns and march on Washington to shoot the illegal immigrant Ombongo from its seat in White House and hunt the FED oligarchs to the devil? Oh right, that would be against the law....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    Greed and human nature are not "self-regulating" and neither are "free markets".
    You have a very miserabilistic view on human nature. That's quite disturbing. More importantly, it's not justified. Humans have always regulated themselves. Humans have survived and thrived for thousands of years without heavy bureaucratic state structures.

    Having said that. Libertarianism only regulates the flow of money, not our ideals of civilization and also not the strength of our people and our fight for survival.
    But then again, neither do marxism, socialism, conservatism or capitalism.

    For our current situation, we need a new ideology and a new inspiring story of civilization and destiny.

    So as far as I am concerned, Libertarianism is only an answer to problems of the past, not the present and the future.

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