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    The Indiana Supreme Court is appointed but the members are subjected to popular vote in retention. Most other judges in Indiana are elected. I know I have no faith in the local justice system, if you have legal problems you better have a lawyer in good terms with the presiding judge.

    The lone Negro judge dissented, but that may be out of sympathy for his race, they being more likely to have run-ins with the police.

    The 3 justices that voted for this decision will be denied retention the next time they come up before the voters. It will be a repeat of Iowas where every justice that came up for retention in 2010, who voted that gay marriage was a constitutional right, was thrown off the court by the voters.

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    America's Death Squads
    By Jim Kirwan
    5-16-11

    How have we come down to this? It did not happen overnight, and this has been the result of decades of extreme-right-wing views of the role of "law-enforcement" polices throughout this country. The very first problem with the entire concept stems from the definition of "law·en·force·ment." The term infers that there are laws that need to be enforced; but the fact is there are no longer any "laws" that govern the behavior of those in uniform.

    This is how we have apparently become unwilling participants in this massive crime against the rights and responsibilities of everyone in this country; from the citizens that are the victims to the thugs that are illegally making these arrests; Tasering and sometimes torturing people-as well as those who are murdered by those same people that are armed, supposedly, to protect the same people that the uniformed law-enforcers are now making undeclared-war-upon.

    When I was as consultant to the California Department of Justice in the late nineteen-seventies the mood among a great many "officers" was that police in California were being restricted far-too-much by having to Mirandize suspects: Because this limited what police could do to "catch-the-bad-guys."

    In fact these same lazy, bull-headed cops were adamant that there should be no restrictions upon whatever they might want to do to get "confessions" from those they had decided were criminals. In this process the first, fourth and fifth amendments were considered to be counter-productive to "good-police-work (i.e. cops needed a blank check, including beating confessions out of suspects). After Death-Squad-Reagan became president these efforts began to be seen as much more desirable than they ever-had been before. Of course after 911 these criminally-open-ended policing polices became defacto law. And the result of these miscarriages of actual justice are now the law of the land: All of which are heavily buried under many layers of false-flag national-security and STATE Security requirements which is how America has come to find itself in the crosshairs of police weapons for the slightest infractions on so very many different occasions.

    This brings us to the latest version of lawless-behavior by a SWAT TEAM in Tucson, Arizona. This nameless and faceless "TEAM" murdered an ex-marine in his own home, with 71 shots which were fired at him without reason: and basically without warning. All the members of this TEAM should be profiled in the local papers, with their pictures and home addresses published, along with the records of their entire-service to the despicable Tucson Police Department that routinely utilizes their illegal-services (murder-for-hire). If Tucson cops were any-good at their so-called jobs then the number of home-invasions would not be the problem that they definitely are today!

    May 12, 2011 "LR" -- Jose Guerena survived two combat tours of Iraq, only to become a casualty of the Regime's longest war - the one waged against its domestic subjects in the name of drug prohibition. The former Marine was slaughtered by a SWAT team during a May 5 assault on his home in Arizona.

    Guerena's wife, Vanessa, heard a noise outside the couple's home near Tucson at about 9 a.m. Jose, who had just gone to bed after pulling a 12-hour shift at the Asarco Mine, suspected - correctly, as it turned out - that his family was threatened by an armed criminal gang. Grabbing his AR-15, Guerena instructed his wife and four-year-old son to hide in the closet while he confronted the intruders. According to Mrs. Guerena, the stormtroopers from the Pima County Regional SWAT team never identified themselves as police; they simply stormed into the home and started shooting.

    "I saw this guy pointing me at the window, Vanessa recalled in a television interview. "So, I got scared. And, I got like, 'Please don't shoot, I have a baby.' I put my baby [down]. [And I] put bag in window. And, I yell 'Jose! Jose! Wake up!'"

    "A deputy's bullet struck the side of the doorway, causing chips of wood to fall on his shield," recounts the Arizona Daily Star, paraphrasing an account provided by Pima County Sheriff's Office (PCSO) functionary Michael O'Connor. "That prompted some members of the team to think the deputy had been shot." Guerena never fired a shot; the marauders who invaded his home fired no fewer than seventy-one. As is standard procedure in such events, the invaders claimed that Guerena had fired on the officers, as he had every moral and legal right to.

    Neither Jose nor his wife had a criminal history of any kind. The attack on their home was described as a narcotics enforcement operation, but there are no reports that narcotics were found at the residence * - even though the invaders reportedly "seized" (that is, stole) something that belonged to the victim." (1)

    Whatever garbage was 'gleaned' from this attack that involved victims from four different homes that morning; must become public knowledge; so that the public can determine if this death sentence was warranted. As the "officers" were invading this man's home; the burden of PROOF that apparently justified this callous MURDER needs to be proven, beyond the shadow of any doubt! The "officers-involved" need to be immediately suspended and their pay frozen pending a full and open public-investigation of everyone from the Commander of that unit all the way down to and including whatever supposed "intelligence" there might have been that justified this irreversible action that resulted in the DEATH of the "SUSPECT." The judges that issued the warrants, the departments of the government that were behind the orders issued to the SWAT TEAM; in sum everyone and everything involved here ought to become part of this public-investigation. If there were any "justice" these so-called "officers" would be FIRED immediately and then investigated: IF that is, they were being judged the same way that their VICTIM was treated in this instance!

    "The Pima County Regional SWAT team fired 71 shots in seven seconds at a Tucson man they say pointed a gun at officers serving a search warrant at his home.
    Jose Guerena, 26, a former Marine who served in Iraq twice, was holding an AR-15 rifle when he was killed, but he never fired a shot, the Sheriff's Department said Monday after initially saying he had fired on officers during last week's raid. Six days after Guerena was shot, few details about the investigation that brought the SWAT team to the southwest-side home Guerena shared with his wife and their two young sons are known. Guerena's role in the narcotics investigation is unclear and deputies would not comment on what was seized from his home. Three other homes within a quarter of a mile from Guerena's house, were served search warrants related to the investigation that morning. The addresses and the names of people who live in the other homes have not been made public." (2)

    Is the USA now nothing but a holding-pen for unnamed suspects that can be murdered at random; if so, then we need to know that! That is what 'we have all been' since George W. Bush began spying on US citizens seven months before 911 happened. We have no rights, and we have now way to question, to challenge or to confront these animals in uniform: And everyday our ability to deal legally with these out-of-control-uniformed-outlaws is diminished. It is amazing that most of these creatures probably need to use their own fingers to be able to count to ten; and anything over that presents a problem. The US is drafting troops from our wars overseas, straight into police-departments here, without any police-training and putting them in the field as if the people they confront here are no different than those they were murdering routinely overseas. Maybe that's why this RAID looked more like a night-raid in Baghdad than a SWAT-TEAM 'action' in Tucson? This is producing time-bombs that cannot continue in a holding pattern for much longer. . .

    If this situation is not directly and publicly addressed then things like Vigilantism could well begin to make a comeback among the population. Because no people can be targeted as we have been TARGETED, for very long without producing an equal and opposite REACTION to these illegal and outrageous behaviors by those that are supposed to protect the public and not simply brutalize and murder us. Apparently no response to these POLICE-STATE tactics was ever contemplated by those dark-forces that have instituted these illegal polices: However there will be a spontaneous public BACKLASH, and the only questions will be When and Where: NOT IF.

    Seventy-one shots and although 'The TARGET" was armed, and combat-trained, his weapon while fully loaded was still on SAFETY, and he did not fire a single shot! He had just gone to sleep after working a twelve-hour shift overnight, and he was suddenly awakened to this nightmare. The house was darkened (that helps if you're trying to sleep) but to the invaders this was suspicious, and just seemed to confirm that something illegal was going on). No one in this criminal murder has even asked things like:

    "What happened to 'the presumption of INNOCENCE?"

    So Jose Guerena was murdered at home, in front of his wife and one of their children. (His wife was never referred to as his wife officially * she was just the unidentified woman). So, unless you like living in Baghdad or Kabul, you need to begin to DEMAND ANSWERS to the questions that at this moment, WE, as American-Victims of POLICE-STATE-INSECURITY are not allowed to ever-ask!

    Whatever else happened in Tucson, Arizona these uniformed thugs MURDERED Jose Guerena; and his murders MUST be TRIED in Open Court!

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    That is what the NWO judges look for: Do any invasion, kill the people then let same posthume complain about the illegal attack.

    that it is a superior court doing this is a matter of grave concern.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    That is what the NWO judges look for: Do any invasion, kill the people then let same posthume complain about the illegal attack.

    that it is a superior court doing this is a matter of grave concern.
    WTF, I do not ever advocate violence, but it seems they won't be content until they have a full fledged insurrection on their hands.

    Cops are people, too. They will have to choose what side they are on. I no longer see this as firstly a racial contest. Firstly, It seems more to be an issue of good people against bad people & quite frankly the govt isn't on my good list.

    Cops enforce laws. not your laws or my laws but someone else's laws. They better wake up. Nothing like +300,000,000 pissed off people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wm mauer View Post
    Of course I hope we are wrong, brother. All we ever wanted was to be left alone, but then parasites will not abide that.
    Blame Lincoln.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    The 3 justices that voted for this decision will be denied retention the next time they come up before the voters. It will be a repeat of Iowas where every justice that came up for retention in 2010, who voted that gay marriage was a constitutional right, was thrown off the court by the voters.
    Doesn't matter.. the decision stands and they will just be replaced with more NWO stooges to strip us of a few more rights next time. The Bilderbergers just love to inflict death by 1000 cuts. By the time everyone wakes up and is pissed off enough to act, we may be too weak and disempowered to resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    Doesn't matter.. the decision stands and they will just be replaced with more NWO stooges to strip us of a few more rights next time. The Bilderbergers just love to inflict death by 1000 cuts. By the time everyone wakes up and is pissed off enough to act, we may be too weak and disempowered to resist.
    Don't forget the Exclusionary Rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Don't forget the Exclusionary Rule.
    Do you want to elaborate, or should I guess what you're referring to?

    This is how we have apparently become unwilling participants in this massive crime against the rights and responsibilities of everyone in this country; from the citizens that are the victims to the thugs that are illegally making these arrests; Tasering and sometimes torturing people-as well as those who are murdered by those same people that are armed, supposedly, to protect the same people that the uniformed law-enforcers are now making undeclared-war-upon.

    When I was as consultant to the California Department of Justice in the late nineteen-seventies the mood among a great many "officers" was that police in California were being restricted far-too-much by having to Mirandize suspects: Because this limited what police could do to "catch-the-bad-guys."

    In fact these same lazy, bull-headed cops were adamant that there should be no restrictions upon whatever they might want to do to get "confessions" from those they had decided were criminals. In this process the first, fourth and fifth amendments were considered to be counter-productive to "good-police-work (i.e. cops needed a blank check, including beating confessions out of suspects). After Death-Squad-Reagan became president these efforts began to be seen as much more desirable than they ever-had been before. Of course after 911 these criminally-open-ended policing polices became defacto law. And the result of these miscarriages of actual justice are now the law of the land: All of which are heavily buried under many layers of false-flag national-security and STATE Security requirements which is how America has come to find itself in the crosshairs of police weapons for the slightest infractions on so very many different occasions.
    This whole mess is caused by multiculturalism, which this leftist writer would probably defend to his dying breath. How is that? Well, the inveterate criminality of certain races triggers an extremist reaction in order to maintain order. The idea of "equality" means we all must be treated with suspicion equal to that of the lowliest negro thug. White cops may have no sympathy for black suspects, but black cops have even less for white ones, and are less inhibited by any sort of moral fiber in pursuit of their objectives. Eventually, police become militarized, and average folks in their homes become dangerous threats to be liquidated without any consideration at all. And it all grew from a lack of compatibility and understanding between disparate members of an utterly ill-conceived society. This will always be so. It is one of the many loud alarms telling us that multiculturalism simply will not EVER work!

    Who knows? Maybe the NWO psychological think tank plotting our demise planned it this way, using the chaos they created by inflicting multiculturalism upon us as an excuse to unleash de facto martial law.

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    My opinion is if the police have no right to be in your home-you have an absolute right to defend yourself against them (See John Bad Elk v. United States). However, who knows how long or if this will even go to the U.S. Supremes-then we might even get a ridiculous opinion upholding this as (correct me if i'm wrong) Justice Scalia has basically said if a person consents to having your house searched (even if they have no ability to consent for you) too bad for you.

    To be cynical and put it in very base terms, I think this is all about business. States, Courts, and law enforcement need customers-this is an easy way to get more customers and increase revenue. After they ransack your house (which might be the wrong house), they can put you in jail for something else or arrest you for resisting. Maybe if they find a marijuana cigarette they can make you forfeit all your assets because you are a drug dealer (Does Indiana still have that asset forfeiture law?)

    Sadly, we all know they can make up anything to put you away. Don't know if there are any cops on here but would like to hear from them on this. In my experience cops could not care less about your rights or the constitution-they just want more customers and revenue.
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    Rocky v wrote,
    Sadly, we all know they can make up anything to put you away. Don't know if there are any cops on here but would like to hear from them on this. In my experience cops could not care less about your rights or the constitution-they just want more customers and revenue.
    Not law enforcement myself, but I do have a number of relatives who were cops and they didn't take bribes, nor did they push people around just because they had the power to do so.

    Also, I think you'll find that the vast majority of cops walking a beat are very pro Second Amendment. It's their chiefs that are the ones who, for the most part, are the ones politicizing law enforcement.
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