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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    I don't mind anybody believing the bible is the word of God. I personally don't believe that and I like to explain why:
    My point is perhaps a unique one; it doesn't matter whether the bible is the word of god or not, irrelevant. It could and perhaps should still be supported as the grand institution and control mechanism that it is, as as our native monotheism.

    It could be improved and changed so as to suit modern Europe very easily. But without it, there is nothing to replace it with. It's highly unlikely that people will accept any new religion supposedly from god once Christianity is gone.... so you had better hope and pray that getting rid of it is the right thing, because from my point and the point of intellectual philosophers such as Dennett, it could amount to suicide.

    Fanciful modern ideals of paganism and such simply do not cut it. Monotheism defeated... or rather mixed with all pagan Europe and overcame it because it was superior in a number of ways relevant to that specific period in time. That is not hard to understand.

    And that time has NOT changed... we have just become complacent and comfortable with our modern concrete jungle world, a reality where opinions and beliefs are built solely on the convenience of that artificial world. If the electricity turned off and modern comforts vanished tomorrow, it would become as relevant again as it was thousands of years ago.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    That christian-personality was designed to oppress the impulses of the germanic folk-soul in my german ancestors.
    This is highly doubtful, but even if it was true... it doesn't account for the fact most of the Germanic people readily gave themselves up to the latest fashion trend (Christianity), just as they give themselves to Obama today.

    People are pawns and always will be. There is no great folk-soul mind as much as we'd all like their to be...... not today........ and sure as hell not thousands of years ago when things were 10000 times more complex and diverse in terms of tribes and allegiances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Can you give an example? Other people on this forum have made a similar claim, but have never been specific, I am really curious.
    There are lots of examples, the most basic of which understanding that the Church is full of and run by normal people who grew up in the last century with everyone else in modern, degenerate Western civilisation. People fundamentally run and behave based on the basic principles they were brought up, and the fashions of the society around them.

    So think how much western society has changed over the last century, and you'll get a good idea how the Church has changed.

    The Church has changed vastly from a quiet humble place of prayer and contemplation, to idiots who grew up in the 60s who think that it's godly to be clapping, screaming and shouting as an act of worship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Isn't this arbitrariness exactly what makes them so weak?
    What makes the Church weak is that it has changed along with western society as we advanced - into an inferior state.

    A good way to understand this is comparing it to Islam. Whilst Christianity was trampling through the world with the Industrial revolution along with manifest destiny, laying railroads and working in tandem with capitalism and everything modern..... Islam was still a religion that belong to village people in the middle of nowhere in the desert.

    I think of a lot of Muslims as almost jumping through a time portal from poor fishing villages to the riches of petrol in the space of a century or less in some places. Christianity on the other hand has been at the forefront of democracy and modernising for over a thousand years.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Pagan Greece and Rome was not civilized then? How exactly?
    Of course they were civilised in pagan terms, but they were the ones who invented Christianity. They took the ideas of an obscure sect of poor people, and turned it into a giant business to run an empire.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Even historians usually have to make some very speculative guesses here, and you certainly don't have such knowledge at all, so shut up.
    Even Hitler himself expressed annoyance at the knowledge of Germanic history of the North, which Himmler and co were planning to cover up if I recall right. That whilst southern Europe was prospering, his people were living in mud huts. I think those were his exact words from memory. Maybe wooden huts, I can't remember, but basically he was expressing his frustration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish View Post
    There are lots of examples, the most basic of which understanding that the Church is full of and run by normal people who grew up in the last century with everyone else in modern, degenerate Western civilisation.
    [...]
    What makes the Church weak is that it has changed along with western society as we advanced - into an inferior state.
    So you are saying that the church is, and always has been, just a mirror of the current Zeitgeist.
    How can you say this is not how it was intended? And how is this not an incredibly weak set of morals then?

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish View Post
    Of course they were civilised in pagan terms, but they were the ones who invented Christianity.
    And perished shortly after that.

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    Even Hitler himself expressed annoyance at the knowledge of Germanic history of the North, which Himmler and co were planning to cover up if I recall right.
    Certainly not! He was concerned about the idolization of weak accomplishments, just because they happen to be done by our ancestors. However he acknowledged that there were other accomplishments of our ancestors who are indeed worthy of admiration.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    And perished shortly after that.
    4-500 years is hardly shortly thereafter for an area outside of their native habitat, and considering they faced an uphill battle against a vast number of differing peoples with different beliefs and different culture already in place. Keep in mind the Byzantine Empire went on to last a thousand years.

    If we say our modern growth and dominance as western powers took flight with the industrial revolution, we ourselves haven't lasted the length of their western empire, and yet we are already showing major signs of decline.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    So you are saying that the church is, and always has been, just a mirror of the current Zeitgeist.

    How can you say this is not how it was intended?
    Not necessarily an exact mirror, but it is certainly becoming that way - more so than ever over the last century, as a means to try and survive and keep up with modern society (aka selling out).

    As I said, Christianity (as we know it) was created by the Roman Empire. But its origins are from an obscure sect of poor people. They could not have even begun to comprehend that their little private, and probably extremist sect (old testament), could be turned into the giant monster that it is today. Where some peace-loving camp bloke gets up on stage with a microphone crying save the world nonsense at thousands of people.

    The church is whatever you make it, and only as good as the people who interpret it. As the bible says, the Church is not the building but the people. And since people are easily manipulated and shaped by the Zeitgeist of the day, anything is possible. You could almost interpret it any number of ways.

    That is why you can see a whole spectrum of representation for the Abrahamic religions (All originally the same) ; ...... from modern camp happy-clapping Christians, to jihad chanting knife-weilding arabs or self-abusing flagellation practicing Catholics.

    It's all in there, it's whatever you make it. And I say we take the power back and make it into something fully Germanic and decent. If "German with God" was a real idea then Hitler agreed, and so do plenty of intellectuals today like philosopher Daniel Dennett.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish
    It could and perhaps should still be supported as the grand institution and control mechanism that it is, as as our native monotheism
    Monotheism is not native to Europe or the Indo-European people and never has been.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish
    [Monotheism]... because it was superior in a number of ways relevant to that specific period in time. That is not hard to understand
    It wasnt relevant nor superior, just more convenient and defeated common sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish
    This is highly doubtful, but even if it was true... it doesn't account for the fact most of the Germanic people readily gave themselves up to the latest fashion trend (Christianity)
    "Readily" in most continental regions and Scandinavia means 1000-1500 years of opposition to the idea of monotheism. And it wasnt even a voluntary process, it was dictated and enforced.


    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish
    The Church has changed vastly from a quiet humble place of prayer and contemplation, to idiots who grew up in the 60s who think that it's godly to be clapping, screaming and shouting as an act of worship.
    Before the inception of the desert cult, celebrating life was the role of religion for times immemorial. Then monotheism came and teached to worship death.


    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish
    What makes the Church weak is that it has changed along with western society as we advanced - into an inferior state.... Christianity on the other hand has been at the forefront of democracy and modernising for over a thousand years.
    The "western society" that you condemn so much is a PRODUCT of christianity. Yes, christianity is at the forefront of our devolution into the abyss of modernity.

    It is the logical result when culture and values are wiped off by a force of cultural imperialism, although christianity doesnt possess any culture, it is only imperialism that wipes off all culture, all values and common sense and replaces it with platitudes that have no meaning.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish
    Even Hitler himself expressed annoyance at the knowledge of Germanic history of the North
    Yet, he gave Himmler unlimited means to do his work.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish
    Keep in mind the Byzantine Empire went on to last a thousand years.
    The Byzantine Empire was not an empire of European people, but of West-Asians / Turkic / Shemite people.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish
    The church is whatever you make it, and only as good as the people who interpret it. As the bible says, the Church is not the building but the people. And since people are easily manipulated and shaped by the Zeitgeist of the day, anything is possible. You could almost interpret it any number of ways.
    Of what use it is then when it carries no own values?

    And when you say that Paganism wont cut it, this millionst reincarnation of the Jewish New Age religion wont cut it either.


    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish
    And I say we take the power back and make it into something fully Germanic and decent.
    Maybe we should rather try something that already IS fully Germanic.

    We dont need more New Age nonsense, we dont need more foreign ideas, what we need is OUR history, OUR view of the world, OUR values, OUR culture, OUR native spiritualism that resonates with OUR people, today more than ever before to segregate us from the world and become ourselves again.

    A Jewish savior with a backward religion wont cut it.
    Ein Leben ist nichts, deine Sprosse sind alles
    Aller Sturm nimmt nichts, weil dein Wurzelgriff zu stark ist
    und endet meine Frist, weiss ich dass du noch da bist
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    The old germanic religion presented a whole. A human was placed into a culture, religion, environment, style of life, Gods etc which were interconnected and interrelated.

    Christianity destroyed the unity and from then on people were sick, as they had an inner life which followed different cultures, Gods, destroyed the environment In german we use the word 'Zerrissenheit' (torn apart), that is what Christianity produced in western people.

    For my understanding most people want to go back to life which is 'whole'. Where everything feels 'right'.

    As Christianity destroyed it and heathenism had it it seems reasonable to study the old culture and religion and implement as much as one can into one's life.

    If somebody doesn't want to do it that is fine with me, but placarding Christianity as a thing which held and holds westerners together is something I won't buy. I think it did the opposite and led people into a tyrannical environment with the old freedoms removed. Under tyrannical christian leaders germanic people were led into a misery where we today see it at its culmination point. The thing which led us there will not heal us as a people, only screw things more up.
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    It also seems that certain myth of the christian books play a role.

    For ex. The sending out of the Paradise.

    This myth had to be enacted to the germans. they had to leave the paradise they lived in to become cursed people (cursed by the christian God). After being cursed in living in misery the God then in his great magnomity and grace might accept them back into paradise.




    For a heathen the question arises whether this God is a God for him/her.


    It seem that the whole range of christian myth had to be played on the unsuspecting heathens. Who fought back against the foreign God but lost the warfare to the trickery and cultural assault by christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish View Post
    4-500 years is hardly shortly thereafter ...
    Considering that it took a few hundred years until Christianity took hold of the entire empire, it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish View Post
    Keep in mind the Byzantine Empire went on to last a thousand years.
    Bleh, there was an ever changing construct which they kept calling this.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish View Post
    You could almost interpret it any number of ways.
    You just keep repeating yourself, I feel compelled to repeat my question which went unanswered so far: How exactly is this not a very weak set of morals then?
    If we can "reclaim" it, then what prevents others from later "reclaiming" it again(?) for their degenerate agendas?
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Monotheism is not native to Europe or the Indo-European people and never has been.
    So the Romans who created Christianity came from where? Australia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    I feel compelled to repeat my question which went unanswered so far: How exactly is this not a very weak set of morals then?
    I answered that already. Morals (of any kind) are as weak as the people who create and implement them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    If we can "reclaim" it, then what prevents others from later "reclaiming" it again(?) for their degenerate agendas?
    Degeneration of religion has been the case for every faith since the dawn of time, even more so in heathen/paganism due to the sheer numbers of differing tribes and their type of ideologies.

    But not all faiths degenerate so easily. Strength of religion, faith and keeping society simple and strict is enough to prevent degeneration.

    Just look at Islam for example, virtually unchanged in 1400 years, and the Muslims are proud of the fact the Quran has not been re-written a single time (at least they make sure that it is told that way). If they can manage that from a time without computers or telephones, with much less power to control people, we can sure as hell do something as great and much greater today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish View Post
    Morals (of any kind) are as weak as the people who create and implement them.
    Yes, and the weakness of Christian morals results from unrestricted interpretation possibilities (thus its creation), yet not through the failings of its implementations.
    So you agree that Christian morals are weak, because they have been created weak?

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish View Post
    Degeneration of religion has been the case for every faith since the dawn of time, even more so in heathen/paganism due to the sheer numbers of differing tribes and their type of ideologies.
    Can you name a Pagan degeneration? Deviating from the original does not necessarily equate degeneration it can also mean positive advancement.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish View Post
    But not all faiths degenerate so easily. Strength of religion, faith and keeping society simple and strict is enough to prevent degeneration.
    No, morals are by definition only existent as long as a force "moralizes", contrary to a specific behavior resulting from conscious cognition, which is a virtue.
    The idea of Christianity (or all Abrahamisitc religions) is to moralize with a threat of force even beyond death, and usually fails.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueEnglish View Post
    If they can manage that from a time without computers or telephones, with much less power to control people, we can sure as hell do something as great and much greater today.
    Well, I would say that computers and telephones have made it harder not easier, but in any case, I agree, it is just that I don't see why Christianity should be used for this, when its spiritual truth is crap.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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