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    Free Speech Advocate Guilty of Racism

    The Eastern High Court today fined Lars Hedegaard, the president of the Free Press Society, 5,000 kroner for making racially offensive comments in December 2009.

    “Girls in Muslim families are raped by their uncles, their cousins, or their fathers,” and “When a Muslim man rapes a woman, it is in his right to do so,” were among the comments Hedegaard made during a 35-minute interview at a Christmas party with the author of the blog snaphanen.dk, who subsequently published the comments on the blog.

    Today’s decision overturns a decision in January by the Frederiksberg District Court, which stated that while it found Hedegaard’s comments to be insulting, Hedegaard did not know that his controversial comments would be made public.

    Last week Hedegaard published a book titled “Muhammeds Piger” (Mohammed’s Girls), in which he writes about issues such as discrimination in Islam and that the belief in predestination.

    “Everyone is subject to Allah’s will, but he treats them differently – without stating any other criteria for the discrimination other than his own will,” the book reads.

    Women are the main focus of the book, in which the author also expresses his joy over the victory of free speech, referring to the district court’s acquittal in January.
    source http://www.cphpost.dk/culture/cultur...of-racism.html

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    Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

    That Moslems are an incestuous and raping lot is pretty clear. What if a Moslem in Denmark made derogatory remarks about Danes and Danish society, and the Evangelical Lutheran Church, the established church of Denmark? Would this Moslem be charged and fined in a Danish district court? I think not. So much for free speech in Denmark, it's a farce.

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    Arabs are simple minded. I knew two Saudi males in college and interestingly it was the super devout one who was a decent character. The Westernized one was a complete whore-type character to vices of near every kind, yet still left the impression of being very pig-headed overall.

    The average Arab male cannot talk about anything objective about their culture or history or even their countries in general. The average Arab female is simply locked up back at home, though content to be as it is how they function overall, they are used to it. Arab males would simply prefer to claim that we misunderstand somehow rather than talk of anything in great detail. I concluded in my dealings with the loud one that mass-primitiveness culture/society-wise creates populations with inflated defense-mechanisms in respect to all objectivity directed towards them in any way. The devout one was more open-minded than the westernized one, though I had to wonder just how different they'd become once imbedded back in the 12th century with their predestined Aramco engineer jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingvaeonic View Post
    That Moslems are an incestuous and raping lot is pretty clear. What if a Moslem in Denmark made derogatory remarks about Danes and Danish society, and the Evangelical Lutheran Church, the established church of Denmark? Would this Moslem be charged and fined in a Danish district court? I think not. So much for free speech in Denmark, it's a farce.
    Exactly. As I remarked to one of my friends who actually believed that Lars Hedegaard would be aquitted: The Danish Rascism Law exists only to allow the arbitrary punishment of the critics of the system.

    In this case, the system failed miserably at silencing it critics: In this weekend The Danish Free Press Society will hold a huge conference on womens rights in Islam, motivated by this trial.
    Among other guests, Wafa Sultan will attend a give a stern critique of the judge for making the situation for women in Islam even worse with his judgment.

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    Hate speech is an interesting concept. It maintains that one cannot express one's disgust or hatred for a particular group, something which I find to be strange. There is supposed to be a distinction made between public expressions and "private" such, but the line seems to be fussy. Any expression will usually be made in a context where other people are present.

    I cannot abide by its logic. The law blurs the line between "inciting" hatred and advocating criminal activity, the latter should obviously be illegal, but the first? Are there grounds for hating a certain group and expressing this hate in public? A liberal claims to see only individuals, a socialist claims to only see classes, but those who are neither liberals or socialists, can they find reasons to hate a certain group and have a desire to express this hatred/disgust/disapproval/dislike (of varying intensity and passion)? They might. Should it be allowed? It seems to me that the only groups that are protected by this law (with more groups being included over time) are groups that are liked and defended by liberals and socialists. Groups that are disliked by liberals and socialists are not covered.

    This does not mean that I want white Christian men covered by a hate speech law, as I want this ridicilousness to end, not cemented. Advocating criminal acts against a certain group should under normal circumstances be illegal (if we exclude the possibility of formerly legal acts becoming illegal). But expressing one's hate and disgust with a certain group should be allowed.

    As other convictions have shown, not even basing ones expressed opinions and views on facts is enough to avoid conviction. This tells us something about the application and extent of this law. It should be abolished.

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    MENA people are sometimes a strange bunch, at least in Sweden. They're the most misogynist people I've ever run into. I think Islam only worsened a bad situation (although I find Sufi Islam pretty fascinating), since they have their savage tribal traditions - when Islam came along, it just blended in with those desert traditions. So when you question their Stone Age behavior (unrelated to religion) they immediately freak out because it's OMG AN INSULT TO ALLAH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Arabs are simple minded. I knew two Saudi males in college and interestingly it was the super devout one who was a decent character. The Westernized one was a complete whore-type character to vices of near every kind, yet still left the impression of being very pig-headed overall.
    Not all A-rabs are equal, Saudi's are perhaps not the best example. It's a very schizophrenic country. Ultra-religious there (but of course these rules don't apply to the ruling elite) yet it's not uncommon for people to act completely differently the minute they're out of the country.

    If you get the chance speak to some Lebanese, Iraqis etc. I knew an Iraqi guy from work (think they left Iraq in the 1980's) who knew more about a lot of stuff we discuss here than most of us do.

    The average Arab male cannot talk about anything objective about their culture or history or even their countries in general.
    Sadly this problem isn't confined to the Arab world alone.

    Our own societies have become so PC'd and brainwashed that we have the same problem. People are afraid to say what they really mean, they can't even express it to themselves because they're in such a mindlock about being PC and burdened with feelings of pointless "white guilt" which is designed to make them believe that they (whites) are somehow responsible for "oppressing" all sorts of minority groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    Not all A-rabs are equal, Saudi's are perhaps not the best example. It's a very schizophrenic country. Ultra-religious there (but of course these rules don't apply to the ruling elite) yet it's not uncommon for people to act completely differently the minute they're out of the country.

    If you get the chance speak to some Lebanese, Iraqis etc. I knew an Iraqi guy from work (think they left Iraq in the 1980's) who knew more about a lot of stuff we discuss here than most of us do.



    Sadly this problem isn't confined to the Arab world alone.

    Our own societies have become so PC'd and brainwashed that we have the same problem. People are afraid to say what they really mean, they can't even express it to themselves because they're in such a mindlock about being PC and burdened with feelings of pointless "white guilt" which is designed to make them believe that they (whites) are somehow responsible for "oppressing" all sorts of minority groups.

    Ya I mean that Westerners are quick to critique their culture and or their systems flaws due to their own nature. Arabs have no ability on average to do this. None can speak objectively about their nation to foreigners in respect to the fact that they might be to blame for much of their situation.

    For instance I implored about the religious police in Saudi to this Saudi guy and he just went numb practically with feigned confusion. He couldn't even begin to acknowledge it. This video demonstrates that.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M65yAVlwows

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    There may be very good reasons for the guy to go numb such as that they'll do a number on him if he doesn't tow the line. People are scared and they have good reasons to be scared in those countries.

    I agree that on average they are less likely to question things or admit to problems than we are.

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    Haha. It's a funny little world we live in, isn't it.

    His comments aren't even insulting, and if they were then what is the problem anyway? Sometimes things are insulting, you just have to deal with feeling insulted. And whether people think he is correct or incorrect, you shouldn't be able to fine somebody for being wrong about something anyway!

    Is it any wonder this person is a free speech advocate?

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