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    I do. The problem with homeless people is if you want to work most places require you to have an adress. You can't have an adress if you have no money for rent/ house payments. So want a home so you can get a job, but wait you have no money so you can't have an adress to give to the people who may hire you. Now I know thats not the case for all homeless people, but still, whatever reason they have they still need to eat.
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    I used to give money to some beggars. My wife kept pointing out that he had a multi thousand dollar bike, stashed away off in the bushes (her father is a biker, so she knows this stuff pretty well). I figured that maybe it had been a gift.

    Until one day I saw him in the bike store telling the shop keeper about his bank account balance. It was WELL north of mine.

    I kept the window rolled up next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norski View Post
    I used to give money to some beggars. My wife kept pointing out that he had a multi thousand dollar bike, stashed away off in the bushes (her father is a biker, so she knows this stuff pretty well). I figured that maybe it had been a gift.

    Until one day I saw him in the bike store telling the shop keeper about his bank account balance. It was WELL north of mine.

    I kept the window rolled up next time.
    Interesting story. Now if he's so filthy rich, what the heck is he doing wasting his time begging? What can a guy make begging in one day? $5? What a retard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest Kingsley View Post
    Interesting story. Now if he's so filthy rich, what the heck is he doing wasting his time begging? What can a guy make begging in one day? $5? What a retard
    His bank account had thousands in it (again, according to him). He was ALWAYS out there in late spring to late fall. He said he went south during winter, then came back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    I give 20 bucks to homeless white veterans. they are f*cked.

    All other's I tell to go to their brothers and beg.
    Same here. Especially Vietnam veterans. They were used, and then treated like garbage when they returned home. I'll help them out anytime I can.

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    When I was young I used to give money to beggars, but I have since learned my lesson. Once I was getting gas and a ragged white guy approached me with a sob story about his car being out of gas and he needed the money to get to work and so on and so forth. I felt sorry for the guy because I had been in the same situation in the past (of course, I was too proud to beg when it happened to me) so I gave him what I could, probably about $10, which was a lot for me to give at that time. Of course, I felt good about myself.

    The next week I stopped at the same station and guess what? The same exact guy comes up to me telling me the exact same sob story, word for word. I let him get to the very end and I was like "yeah I know, that is the same lie you told me last week." He didn't even remember me, he started to make up some excuse and I just got in my car and left.

    I am sure there are people out there who are begging because they are legitimately down on their luck and in need of help, but unfortunately they are seriously outnumbered by those who are just lazy or outright liars. I hate being ripped off so I refuse to give money to beggars. Instead I just donate my spare change to whatever charity drive has a box at the cash register when I buy something, I still get to feel like I have done something good and I have more confidence that I am not being cheated.

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    No way! I'm constantly besieged by gypsies and drug addicts asking for money, and it is an annoyance. Sometimes gypsies have become physically threatening with me, which is frightening.
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    Late reply, op's no longer active, but I just wanted to put in a few words.

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Paladin View Post
    When I was younger (late teens) I would do this all the time. One time I gave 10 dollars to a homeless black woman with 3 kids. She approached me in the middle of my school campus and begged me to help out her kids, she told me she had 3 additional kids somewhere else, which would make 6 kids in total. I gave her the money and felt really good about myself.
    True charity is not only helping out strangers, but dwelling with the orphans, beggars, homeless, and widows. Did it ever occur to you that one lady caring for 6 kids was outrageous? What can you expect the lady to do with 10 dollars? At the same time, one must see to it that you don't catch their suffering, so to speak. You can understand their plight, but you shouldn't let it determine your life view of the world. Hence, keep oneself from the world, "the world" here meaning a world of suffering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Paladin View Post
    When I came home that day, I felt exhilarated by my good deed and bragged about it to my mom, who rightfully castigated me for my stupidity. Every time I did this, I realized that I needed the change at a later time.
    The error is that you were unnecessarily and prematurely flaunting a virtue. What is the point of telling someone that you did something better than they could have? Who gives their child a viper when they ask for a slice of cake? Or who eats a lavish and exquisite dinner in the presence of a homeless man? If you acquire a virtue, store it somewhere safe for when it's really needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Paladin View Post
    One time I lost my train ticked and needed to buy a one-day pass for 2 dollars. I had no money on me. I decided to ask people to help me out, thinking they'd be glad to help out a young man in need. To my surprise, everybody I tried to talk to had the most hostile stare you could imagine written across their face. One man gave me a nickle, but that's about it. I felt like I would be pushed into a puddle, or onto the street if I continued to try to ask people for money. Nobody wanted to help me out, yet I would have helped them out in a heartbeat if they had asked me for help. I will never make that mistake again - to bring myself down to such an abject level, or to help an undeserving bag full of arsevomit.
    Here your mistake was expecting recompense, or reward, for your actions. It's not purely virtuous. All the truly great men/humanists (i.e. Voltaire, Schopenhauer, Hitler) repudiated the concept of reparations.

    Furthermore, most people aren't like that. Nearly all idealists are guilty of this naive belief that the innate goodness of mankind will prevail and can be appealed to. Out there, especially in the bourgeois world, it's every man for himself. That's the cruel reality. Mankind is a long way from realizing the socialistic ideals. As justified as calling people parasites is, we must learn to distinguish between drones and parasites of the community. The former can be rehabilitated in the long run, through work. Possibly the latter too. Man is not above and beyond nature. He is virtually identical to the ants and bee colonies.

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    I despise beggars, especially the Roma (gypsies). I seen one in Augsburg acting all sick like she could not walk, later she was running and playing with kids in an ally .

    Maybe even worse are the ones that stand at shopping market entrances. There is one that stands on corner with sign that says "single mother three kids need help" yet you can see her man waiting in a van a couple hundred feet away. I honestly can't figure out if her man is pimping her out and the sign is just a cover or are they begging, either way he needs his ass kicked for being lazy. Its one thing if she is choosing to turn tricks or beg, it's another thing to see her lazy ass man forcing her or relying on her.

    I sometimes work in the state capital city Frankfort,KY, there is a homeless shelter/soup kitchen downtown. All I ever see down there are able body young men. In the morning they wait in line for free breakfast and go out and beg all day and create mischief.

    The lowest are the fake veterans, I ask them where they served and what units, then I check and see if those units and places match on my smart phone, if they do I give them directions to the county vet reps office, VFW, or American Legion. Never give them money.

    Why is it that the more I'm out in society, the more I have thoughts that there should be re-education camps or work centers to remove these people from society until they learn to work or behave properly.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    Handouts enable poverty. Genuine hand-ups eliminate poverty. But only if those being sincerely offered a practical way to improve their condition want to do so. If they don't, then they aren't worth the effort.

    My father told me that vagrancy "homelessness" used to be a punishable offense. And panhandling is still illegal without first obtaining a permit in our community, which I think should be prohibited, not encouraged, especially in residential areas.

    Lilly and I once pulled over to talk with a young man in a busy highway intersection who was displaying a homeless sign, "I need a job". When I informed him that a local businessman we know would hire him, he became very irate. So we left him standing there fuming as if we insulted him.

    "Giving back to the community" is something the 'haves' boast about doing when they refer to their charitable contributions to the 'have-nots'. The haves, of course, expect to be rewarded with civic recognition for this slick, but tiresome PR form of feel-good exploitation, which I find equally revolting.

    I fail to respectfully recognize the faux, feel-good compassion flaunted by those who toss a couple of cans of food in a basket to help poor folk enjoy a Thanksgiving meal, for example, when they could really not care less about how those poor folk are going to manage to survive the remaining 364 days of the year.
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