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    The New National Socialist Party

    I'm probally not the first to think of this as I know there are many groups on the net at various websites that are creating newer forms of national socialism all across the world in many nations by trying to revive the political party from it's past failure and near destruction.

    I want to create this thread to represent national socialist members here for discussion between national socialists themselves including which myself.


    Some questions for other national socialists here would be:

    What would your national socialist state look like?

    What would your national socialist state hope to accomplish?

    What would would your national socialist state look like economically?

    What should some of the goals be for a national socialist party?

    How would national socialists in different countries internationally cooperate and aid each other in the future strategically?

    How will national socialism prevail against other political factions that seek to block it's rise?

    In what ways could national socialism transform itself so that it could distance itself from it's past but at the same time meet the increased needs of the present and future?

    What are effective ways national socialism could promote itself?




    I have my ideas for a national socialist revival and a newly constructed transformation of the party in general but first I would like to hear some of the ideas,thoughts, or perspectives of some of the other national socialist members here.
    National Socialism is the only salvation for Germanics and Europids everywhere. Capitalism, libertarianism, and communism is the enemy.

    National socialized collectivism must prevail over radical individualism.

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    Imo the answers to many of those questions would be to simply copy existing known models.

    In order to keep the PR Karma positive, rename the movement to something more fluffy and PC acceptable?

    Stress concepts like patriotism, love of nature etc. In other words, lift the culture and practices from the Pioneers (Eastern Block) and Hitlerjugend (NS Germany).

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    A name change and selling it as something completely original is all that's needed.

    What kind of NS do you fancy? Strasserite?

    Ethnopluralism also seems like it would be a worthy answer to combat Multiculturalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian View Post
    What would your national socialist state look like?
    I'm not sure if you mean physically, as in banners and artwork, or the people/structure.

    As tempted as I would be to recreate the Third Reich, I think modern times would call for something a bit more subtle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian View Post
    What would your national socialist state hope to accomplish?
    The preservation of Germanic/Western European peoples - genetically and culturally. As much of a "fair" system as possible. (I.E. Athletes not making 100,000,000 a year while coal miners make 20,000) An organized and responsive government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian View Post
    What would would your national socialist state look like economically?
    I'm no economist, but I would try to keep a regulated free market system. No mass quantities of jobs going overseas. We would certainly be industrialized to a point. Still allow quite a bit of international trade as long as it didn't fund "enemy" states.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian View Post
    What should some of the goals be for a national socialist party?
    I think many modern peoples leave the "nationalism" part out, which I strongly disagree with. I would want my people to feel immense pride, and like they had a direct effect in building our state.

    I also believe that, while class systems are inevitable, a national socialist state should create the feeling of relative equality from class to class.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian View Post
    How would national socialists in different countries internationally cooperate and aid each other in the future strategically?
    I would treat other pockets of national socialism or national socialist states as foreign allies, so long as their goals weren't contrary to ours. I'd be willing to commit to them financially, and in some cases militarily, and I would certainly offer political amnesty to any peoples of primarily Western European decent, or to individuals of great importance pending some limitations. (no racial mixing and what not)

    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian View Post
    How will national socialism prevail against other political factions that seek to block it's rise?
    Through dedication. Look around your country...how many of the average people you see on the street would take up arms for their political party? How many of them are educated enough or willing to obtain such an education as to create and operate a government?

    If national socialists have one strength, it's that they are the only serious political party moved by people who share a moral and cultural identity. That sort of pride and dedication is hard to repress.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian View Post
    In what ways could national socialism transform itself so that it could distance itself from it's past but at the same time meet the increased needs of the present and future?
    Like RoyBatty said, stay away from the imagery and exact terminology of past movements, and represent yourselves as a serious, modern, put-together political movement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian View Post
    What are effective ways national socialism could promote itself?
    This is the tough question. I'm certainly not the man for the job. The only theoretical way I could think of helping the cause would be to recruit level headed, sane people who were already involved in government/politics, or who were known publicly.

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    I'd like to thank the responses to this thread. I would like to see this thread develop into a think tank of how national socialists would approach a variety of social complexities that plague our world.

    I would also like to see how we would address economics in a variety of matters along with the duties and aspirations of state.

    Finally I would like us to discuss national socialist ideals when it concerns our social philosophy and views of history.

    Think of this thread as a place where we as collective individual national socialists act as a commitee in discussing and debating what we think is necessary for our existence where we all try to reach the best possible conclusion on subjects.


    We may exist on the fringe now but this is only temporary I think because of the present moment of history currently being against us.

    Soon history will be on our side to which we shall exit the damning shadows that we have been currently swept aside to where we will once again stand tall, noble, and true once again.

    Although national socialism was a German creation in the 1920's it wasn't really created by Germans but rather was discovered by them as a ancient form of cultural folk continuity used by others in ancient past that preceded before to which now in the decline of western civilization and indeed of all Germanic nations more countries beyond Germany are finding themselves in need of national socialism for themselves to preserve their own national folk.

    As national socialists in whatever nation or part of the world we may reside in we find ourselves in need to be in alliance with each other for the success of our political platform but also because as Germanics we are brothers and sisters culturally as well to which our nations make up the part of a much greater family.


    Our situation and aims exist like this I think:

    A.) The fringe: Currently we exist as a movement at the utter most fringes of society where we have been defamed, outcasted, and ridiculed in the re-writing of history by those who have taken over the world constructing it in their own image.

    National socialism was irreversibly damaged in the 1940's where communism and capitalism suceeded both in their co- conspiring against us politically.

    Most have been brought up that capitalism and communism are naturally opposing systems that are disposed against each other especially since after the fall out of world war II that devoured national socialist Germany where they began turning on one another with the cold war.

    What we must remember with that can only be summed up in this quote:

    "Both capitalism and communism rest on the same idea: a centralization of wealth which destroys private property." - Gilbert Keith Chesterton

    There is actually quite a bit of similarities between capitalism and communism to which both systems don't really care to admit which is why I think both systems had no problem conspiring together temporarily in vanquishing national socialist Germany before than turning on each other in later history. When it concerns both ideologies the centralization of wealth is the common shared theme which is why with each one the financial banking institutions are the ones with the real power behind the useless figure heads.


    Back to the subject at hand, it is within the fringes of society as national socialists that we must regroup, rethink, reimage restructure, and reorganize ourselves. Once we have done this we will be ready to enter the next stage of our re-emergence.

    It is this stage of existing on the fringes that we as national socialists currently find ourselves in presently. Until we can accomplish those goals it will only be the fringes that we will find ourselves restricted to.



    B.) Entropy Of Our Competitors: The competing modern political social parties offer nothing sustainable on the subjects of culture, race, identity, and nationalism.

    National socialism does for all those emblems are largely what our political ideology rests upon in the subject of the social.

    This gives us a advantage over our political competitors since they are only absent on discussions of any of those points.

    Once we re- emerge completely revitalized, transformed, and energized from point (A.) of the fringes it is in the stage of entropy of our competitors at point (B.) that we will make our entrance upon the global stage.

    Currently our political competitors are caught in the entropy of self destruction and annihilation on a variety of points.

    They offer nothing on culture, identity, race, and nationalism.

    They are weak on social issues and support a variety of systems that only harm a workable effective form of collective cohesion.

    They constantly only support economical systems that rely on constant international foreign immigration.

    Their economical systems always rely on the centralization of wealth in the hands of a few which has caused one constant economical crisis after the other leaving large portions of the population disrupted.

    All of this inevitably leads them to destroying themselves from within to which as national socialists we shall take every advantage of in exploiting.


    It is here in the entropy of our competitors that our people are feeling hopeless, bewildered, oppressed, and confined.

    It is here that with the re-emergence of a new national socialist party revitalized and transformed we will begin creating alternative political outlets giving our people a voice. It is here amongst the dead wood of our competitors that we shall create a alternative option showing our people there does exist a vehicle yet to fulfill the necessary changes they seek.

    At this moment our people everywhere are feeling hopeless, oppressed, isolated, and alienated. They are looking everywhere for somthing to embrace that will save them collectively.

    They are looking for inspiration, motivation, and determination.

    We as national socialists need to set ourselves up to be the only viable alternative to what they are searching for.


    C.) Rebellion: Stage (C.) is critical for it's success or failure will determine everything for us.

    Once we achieve enough supporters we need to find ways to branch out and advertise ourselves. We need to protest, hold public conventions, and rally through parading demonstrations.

    We will need to find a way to infiltrate our governments and accepted public political parties by demanding representations for our own party.

    We must demand that our political party be on the voting block.

    We must demand that our political party be on the list of political candidancies for government office.

    We must demand our entrance to public debates.

    If none of that can be accomplished than our only alternative will be various extremities of which cannot be listed within this thread but I'm sure people reading this already know what they are or what they entail.


    D.) Success: After achieving success in stage (C.) it is here we must set up the very foundations of our government by our political party.

    Here we will need to raise a national military defense force along with a workable economical system that meets the demands of the present that will be instrumental in creating profit for the commonwealth of our collective societies.

    We will also need to get some cooperation with the international community and make as many friendly alliances as possible because even though our enemies might be vanquished at this stage nonetheless they will try to regroup in trying to create their own insurrection which we must eventually constantly repress.

    [Seeking out friendly alliances with other nations will generate trade agreements along with mutual defense arrangements and that will be a plus for us.]

    It is here we will devote to the restoration of large family households.

    It is here that our liberated societies will devote their time or energy in creating new technologies through innovation, creativity, and invention.

    It is here that our liberated societies will devote their time or energy to the humanities of art, literature, philosophy, poetry, music, science, exploration, and self discovery.

    It is here that our liberated societies will reach a new golden era of culture and prosperity.
    National Socialism is the only salvation for Germanics and Europids everywhere. Capitalism, libertarianism, and communism is the enemy.

    National socialized collectivism must prevail over radical individualism.

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    First matter of business. What would your flag of a new national socialist party look like for your country?

    If the United States ever had a growing national socialist segment for a new party I would like it to look like this below:



    Probally with the vinland insignia in the background behind it:




    Let our first discussion as national socialists be on international trade.

    I have no problem with international trade so long as it doesn't require the need of foreign international immigration in our national boundries.

    There is no reason why international trade needs to be disrupted or halted.

    I am opposed to foreign companies being able to take up residence within our nations and being able to buy up large amounts of our economy as well.

    Those practices should be halted at once.

    Foreign influences within our economies should be disbanded immediately.

    Thus what should be done instead is to have trade merchants go overseas and purchase what we need or consume to bring back with them where communications are tight with those we are trading with.

    The trading merchants will give foreign companies our demands overseas to which they will supply with the exchange of trade.

    The prime economical directive should be that our nation only trades for somthing that we need or want from a foreign country if we cannot produce it ourselves domestically.

    If we can produce somthing ourselves domestically there is no reason we need to buy or import the same thing from another nation.

    I believe that all nations must have a strong domestic economical system of productivity to which they can produce things themselves on their own.

    This creates a large working class and leaves ample amounts of opportunities for many to become employed which only allows for a profitable system of economy.

    No nation must ever become dependent on others in trading. It must have a strong domestic initiative to remain independent and strong.

    I also believe in business patriotism which means the companies of our own nations must be protected, supported, and given various incentives by the state to be successful over foreign competitors.

    What that means is if I'm the state government of Sweden where Denmark makes better automobiles I as the government of Sweden am going to try everything to give incentives or state operated support to my national automobile industry to be more competitive in being able to out compete Denmark eventually within the automobile marketplace.

    I would make corporate outsourcing against the law by making dual citizenship illegal.

    If a company wants to move overseas because the labor is cheaper they can forsake their citizenship because otherwise in order to remain a citizen in my ideal nation one must keep their business at home within it.

    For me if a company has employees it is their duty to treat them with respect, integrity, and honor in a manner that they deserve which is why for my respect of the working class if a company wishes to outsource it can do so without the leisure of dual citizenship of it's owner.

    If a company wishes to outsource to China it can do so without the citizenship of my ideal nation to which it's only recourse would be to move all of it's business operations within China in becoming a completely Chinese company.

    If you don't support your nation as a business you don't deserve it's citizenship or the ability to enjoy it's luxories.

    If you don't support your nation as a business we don't want you.
    National Socialism is the only salvation for Germanics and Europids everywhere. Capitalism, libertarianism, and communism is the enemy.

    National socialized collectivism must prevail over radical individualism.

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    Taking the suggestion of Roy and others here I have come up with the idea of calling ourselves the Progressive Nationalist Party or the PNP.

    [Progressive nationalism movement.]


    What do others here think of this idea?

    It certainly sounds different and I think it looks like a good platform to begin with.
    National Socialism is the only salvation for Germanics and Europids everywhere. Capitalism, libertarianism, and communism is the enemy.

    National socialized collectivism must prevail over radical individualism.

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    I'll write up my ideas into a program.

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    I have a few thoughts. I came up with a nifty little formula, the four Es. Ecology, Economy, Ethnicity and Eternity.

    Ecology It is becoming more and more apparent that we are poisoning the earth and our food. GMOs, aspartame mercury, coal and oil; this is not good and this needs to be changed. Propose heavy investment and prize contests for renewable energy and green technology in general.

    Economy Wall Street has not been kind to us, it does not matter where in the world we live. The last thing we need, even less than another round of bailouts, it to ship more jobs overseas. It does not only concern jobs per se, but also our national security. We cannot exist, politically, without an all-round manufacturing and agricultural capacity.

    Ethnicity The only viable basis for an integrated and caring community is shared descent and a common set of values. What we represent is a community to which YOU can belong as a person, not just a place where you will have the opportunity to live as an atomized individual.

    Eternity What we represent is being and not becoming. We represent the eternal return and not the mindless meandering of modernity. The eternal principles of man. This is the tricky part since it involves disseminating a spiritual message in a material world.

    They all go together. For only by applying the eternal principles of man, by creating a community in which we all can belong can we live happy and productive lives in an environment that does not kill us.

    As for symbols, we already have symbols that represent our nations. For the US, an American flag and a bald eagle, well any kind of eagle, would stand out nicely against the elephant and the donkey. But bear in mind that in Norse mythology the eagle represents death.

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