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    Re: On The So-Called 'Race Soul'

    I have tried to argue my position but Suut and others claimed that my opinion was irrelevant. I personally from a philosophical standpoint have done enough research on reincarnation and the afterlife to have come to the conclusion that "race" doesn't exist in the afterlife.

    I would also suggest that you and Suut's opinion of a race soul is also pure faith. As far as philosophy goes, many have used philosophy to justify all manner of idiotic unfounded ideas.

    Now if you'll excuse me I have something more important to attend too...

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless

    In the poll it is worth noting that at the point of my writing this post, 5 pollsters think that the soul is race-less, while 7 think the soul to be racial; this is a far higher vote for the former option than I would've expected.

    I note that those who think the soul raceless have not, on the whole, tried to argue their postion!
    This may be due to their belief being one of pure faith, and so lacking any philosophical rigour.
    If I am wrong, let them post here to challenge my assumption.

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    Re: On The So-Called 'Race Soul'

    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas
    I personally from a philosophical standpoint have done enough research on reincarnation and the afterlife to have come to the conclusion that "race" doesn't exist in the afterlife.
    If you accept the hypothesis of an afterlife [in the general sense of a continuing existence of the dead], then why would you reject the quality of race in that continued existence?

    Do you reject the concept of gender too, in the 'after-life'?

    And if we look at a general notion of 'reincarnation' [in the sense that the dead are actually reborn in other living people, and so life continues in that way], then how can race and gender again not be a feature?


    Of course, 'afterlife' and 'reincarnation' [like the 'soul'] are both hypothetical concepts.
    However, even as theories, to divest them of a primal human quality such as race or gender, is abitrary.
    It is said by some that Hitler believed himself to be the reincarnation of Frederick Barbarossa, for example; how is it possible to see this reincarnation as having no racial significance?

    I would also suggest that you and Suut's opinion of a race soul is also pure faith. As far as philosophy goes, many have used philosophy to justify all manner of idiotic unfounded ideas.
    What ideas do you consider "idiotic and unfounded"?

    I can't speak for Suut, but I have stressed throughout that I consider the 'soul' to be a theory.

    It is a theory though, which illuminates our lives, and also casts light upon our own perspectives.

    It therefore seems clear to me that an anti-racist [who recognised the existence of the soul] would consider the soul to be race-less, while a racialist will consider the soul to be racial.

    That is the point, and that is why I question those who do believe in a Soul, and yet consider that Soul to be race-less.

    They thereby expose an anti-racialist outlook in an ultimate sense because the Soul [whether it exists or not] is considered to be an ultimate concept.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas
    I have tried to argue my position but Suut and others claimed that my opinion was irrelevant. I personally from a philosophical standpoint have done enough research on reincarnation and the afterlife to have come to the conclusion that "race" doesn't exist in the afterlife.

    You've not argued a position; but, you have claimed an opinion. Also, would it not be possible to "have done enough research on reincarnation and the afterlife to have come to the conclusion that"--reincarnation and the 'afterlife' are but words--in fact, entire animating world-views that, paradoxically, draws one (literally and metaphorically) further away from this world? In short, is it not possible that they are symptomologies? If not, why not? If so, what might they be symptomatic of...?

    I would also suggest that ... Suut's opinion of a race soul is also pure faith.

    I have yet to reveal my opinion; I have posed questions with respect to the concept, and have formally refuted the implications of your opinion: you have yet to respond. What is most ironic about your assertion is that you admit, via parapraxis, that the entirety of what you believe--is "pure faith."

    As far as philosophy goes, many have used philosophy to justify all manner of idiotic unfounded ideas.

    An "idiotic unfounded idea" would not be Philosophy; nor would the formal use of Philosophy generate an "idiotic unfounded idea". I become nauseated while reading Medieval Philosophy: I have, however, yet to discover an "idiotic unfounded idea" therein--In fact, I have found some of my greatest antipodes there. I affirm them.

    Now if you'll excuse me I have something more important to attend too...

    Yes, being an Avatar must keep you very busy. All that transmuting and such.
    I find this passage of Don Quixote particulaly relevent. It nicely (and entertainingly) illustrates the difference between rasion pour raison, and faith; the stalwart, and the...

    "...At this point they came in sight of thirty or forty windmills that are on that plain. "Fortune," said Don Quixote to his squire, as soon as he had seen them, "is arranging matters for us better than we could have hoped. Look there, friend Sancho Panza, where thirty or more monstrous giants rise up, all of whom I mean to engage in battle and slay, and with whose spoils we shall begin to make our fortunes. For this is righteous warfare, and it is God's good service to sweep so evil a breed from off the face of the earth."

    "What giants?" said Sancho Panza.
    "Those you see there," answered his master, "with the long arms, and some have them nearly two leagues long."
    "Look, your worship,'' said Sancho. "What we see there are not giants but windmills, and what seem to be their arms are the vanes that turned by the wind make the millstone go."
    "It is easy to see," replied Don Quixote, "that you are not used to this business of adventures. Those are giants, and if you are afraid, away with you out of here and betake yourself to prayer, while I engage them in fierce and unequal combat."
    So saying, he gave the spur to his steed Rocinante, heedless of the cries his squire Sancho sent after him, warning him that most certainly they were windmills and not giants he was going to attack. He, however, was so positive they were giants that he neither heard the cries of Sancho, nor perceived, near as he was, what they were.
    "Fly not, cowards and vile beings," he shouted, "for a single knight attacks you."
    A slight breeze at this moment sprang up, and the great vanes began to move.
    "Though ye flourish more arms than the giant Briareus ye have to reckon with me!" exclaimed Don Quixote, when he saw this.
    So saying, he commended himself with all his heart to his lady Dulcinea, imploring her to support him in such a peril. With lance braced and covered by his shield, he charged at Rocinante's fullest gallop and attacked the first mill that stood in front of him. But as he drove his lance-point into the sail, the wind whirled it around with such force that it shivered the lance to pieces. It swept away with it horse and rider, and they were sent rolling over the plain, in sad condition indeed.
    Sancho hastened to his assistance as fast as the ass could go. When he came up and found Don Quixote unable to move, with such an impact had Rocinante fallen with him.
    "God Bless me!," said Sancho, "did I not tell your worship to watch what you were doing, because they were only windmills? No one could have made any mistake about it unless he had something of the same kind in his head." "Silence, friend Sancho," replied Don Quixote. "The fortunes of war more than any other are liable to frequent fluctuations. Moreover I think, and it is the truth, that the same sage Frestón who carried off my study and books, has turned these giants into mills in order to rob me of the glory of vanquishing them, such is the enmity he bears me. But in the end his wicked arts will avail but little against my good sword."

    Do you see more giants in the world, Avatar

    --or windmills?

    Quote Originally Posted by Utopian
    I cannot accept that the soul and spirit are just concepts that were made up by someone philosophizing. The same with afterlife, gods, Valhalla or heaven, etc. The misuse of these words, especially considering Christianity, superstition, and modern philosophy, comes from a falling-out when fewer and fewer people practiced the initiatic art. If, on the other hand, we believe these things to be mere concepts, or even just working concepts which don’t necessarily go beyond the intellectual plane then there is really no point to religion or a spiritual caste at all. I must say that this isn’t the case. The only way that I know that might convince someone of this is to study the texts (Evola is entirely accurate) and practice a system of attainment. By doing the various rituals I have come to know what works and what doesn’t and also I’ve learned the intimate meaning behind the words and mysteries. You can begin to distinguish what the soul is and what the body and spirit is and the reason for differentiating them. One then comes to the realization that almost all (at least ancient) religious movements have a common root in the magical path and that the hierarchy of the spirit represented a solid reality of varying degrees or states of consciousness. Therefore, to be of the same stock as the gods as the true and traditional royals were is higher than the natural and ancestral plane of the spirit. There is a great difference, in my opinion, between something that is belonging to the psychological aspects of a person, such as dreams, and to the normal consciousness on the one hand and on the other to supernatural or superhuman feats that are totally alien to the normal person and which seem to defy the laws of the universe. Also, how do we classify the spiritual energy which is not a part of normal consciousness? How could it be that a man can summon an energy giving him a great bliss or enormous strength or a vision of the future or of that which is out of the reach of his physical eyes? When those who take this path are transformed into something else which they were not before then we have a solid evidence of something substantial happening. They are not only psychologically transformed but in other ways which are reflected in their physical being.
    I can only respect every ounce of this as it is a this-worldy spirituality. However, I think there a far more elegant manner in which to immerse onself into spirituality (as it has been thus far defined) and complete union and understanding of that animating force without the invocation of a soul that is mutually exclusive from the body. Why this soul? I sense the potential for a dichotemy--a bisection, to be more exact--that is similar to the Christian soul complex: I would like to know how you are in any less danger of being false to the Earth than a Christian even after acknowledging/asserting Race-Soul. You are, when all is said and done, making the claim that the acausal/incorporeal is as, if not more, knowable/valuable than the causal/corporeal,

    no?
    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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    Re: On The So-Called 'Race Soul'

    There is no soul. What passes for it, intelligence capable of understanding the laws of the universe, including the moral laws (which are God), is extinguished in death. Effects of the 'soul', however, are easily capable of lasting longer than the soul itself.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Re: On The So-Called 'Race Soul'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer
    There is no soul.
    Let us be careful here, as the term 'soul' is a very wide one, and it is sometimes applied to things which certainly do exist.

    We need to go to some word-lists now, for it is time;

    Starting with the philosophical dictionaries we have;

    Soul {Greek psyche; Latin anima}:
    "The active principle present in living things.
    Plato [cf., Phaedo] distinguished three distinct components of the human soul, and Aristotle [cf., De Anima] supposed that plants and animals, no less than human beings, have souls of some sort.
    Under the influence of Christianity, medieval philosophers focused on the intellectual component of the human soul, and Descartes identified it as an immaterial substance".

    Now, I have maintained that the Christian/Cartesian position has been the foundation for some dead-ends; however, the Pagan concept of the soul still has much to recommend it.
    After all, we can use the word 'soul' to mean [much more concisely], 'the life force'.

    So let's look at some general meanings of the word 'soul';

    1. The animating & vital principle in humans.
    2. The spiritual nature of humans.
    3. The disembodied spirit of a dead human.
    4. A human.
    5. The central or integral part; the vital core.
    6. A personification.
    7. A person's moral or emotional nature.


    These all seem to express 'real' states or events.

    And;

    1. The immaterial part of a person; the actuating cause of an individual life [syn: psyche]

    We certainly speak of things being 'psychological' etc.,
    Indeed, the old soul-concept has certainly found its way into modern Psychology.

    Jung used the terms 'anima' and 'animus' as synonyms for the soul;

    'Anima': the feminine component of the unconscious male psyche and inner counterpart to the persona ...

    'Animus': the male component of the unconscious female psyche ...

    See this link for the full defintions which also include reference to the 'shadow' etc.,
    http://www.tearsofllorona.com/jungdefs.html

    Webster's dictionary gives us a dilation on these ideas;

    1. The spiritual, rational, and immortal part in man; that part which enables him to think, and which renders him a subject of moral government; sometimes, in distinction from the higher nature, or spirit, of man, the so-called animal soul, that is, the seat of life, the sensitive affections and phantasy, exclusive of the voluntary and rational powers; sometimes, in distinction from the mind, the moral and emotional part of man's nature, the seat of feeling, in distinction from intellect; sometimes, the intellect only; the understanding; the seat of knowledge, as distinguished from feeling.

    2. The seat of real life or vitality; the source of action; the animating or essential part.

    3. The leader; the inspirer; the moving spirit; the heart; as, the soul of an enterprise; an able general is the soul of his army.

    4. Energy; courage; spirit; fervour; affection, or any other noble manifestation of the heart or moral nature; inherent power or goodness.

    5. A human being; a person; a familiar appelation, usually with a qualifying epithet.

    6. A pure or disembodied spirit.

    Again, these concepts cannot all be so easily dismissed.

    For Alfred Rosenberg, The 'Myth of the Twentieth Century' was "the myth of blood, which under the swastika unchains the racial world-revolution. It is the awakening of the race-soul, which after long sleep victoriously ends the race-chaos".

    Here we have a nice antithesis: race-soul vs. race-chaos.
    Race-soul then implies Order.


    What passes for it, intelligence capable of understanding the laws of the universe, including the moral laws (which are God), is extinguished in death. Effects of the 'soul', however, are easily capable of lasting longer than the soul itself.
    I agree with the last point [and I might ask, in the context of the 'soul'; what is death?]
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer
    There is no soul. What passes for it, intelligence capable of understanding the laws of the universe, including the moral laws (which are God), is extinguished in death. ...
    "There are no moral phenomena at all. Only moral interpretation of phenomena" (Nietzsche).

    If this is true--and I believe that it is self-evidently so--God, too, would be extinguished at death; and subsequently reborn in a multiplicity of places and times simultaneously. How would this continual death and rebirth (for every moral law has a subject that follows it, from cradle to grave--and so forth) affect the concept of Race-Soul? Moreover, if moral laws are (G)od, would it not follow that (G)od, itself, is but an interpretation of phenomena? Lastly, would it not then follow that (G)od is an interpretation of phenomena governed by the corporeal?

    I think that it would.

    --for what do we have other than the phenomena that we have interpreted?

    We have had an experience.

    Another argument against the a priori...

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    ...

    For Alfred Rosenberg, The 'Myth of the Twentieth Century' was "the myth of blood, which under the swastika unchains the racial world-revolution. It is the awakening of the race-soul, which after long sleep victoriously ends the race-chaos".

    Here we have a nice antithesis: race-soul vs. race-chaos.
    Race-soul then implies Order.
    "What determines your rank is the quantum of power you are: the rest is cowardice...

    ...Here the concept of the “equal value of men before God” is extraordinarily harmful; one forbade actions and attitudes that were in themselves among the prerogatives of the strongly constituted—as if they were in themselves unworthy of men. One brought the entire tendency of the strong into disrepute when one erected the protective measures of the weakest (those who were weakest also when confronting themselves) as a norm of value...

    ...
    I point to something new: certainly for such a democratic type there exists the danger of the barbarian, but one has looked for it only in the depths. There exists also another type of barbarian, who comes from the heights: a species of conquering and ruling natures in search of material to mold. Prometheus was this kind of barbarian...

    ...
    There is only nobility of birth, only nobility of blood. (I am not speaking here of the little word “von” or of the Almanach de Gotha [Genealogy reference book of the royal families of Europe.]: parenthesis for asses.) When one speaks of “aristocrats of the spirit,” reasons are usually not lacking for concealing something; as is well known, it is a favorite term among ambitious Jews. For spirit alone does not make noble; rather, there must be something to ennoble the spirit.—What then is required? Blood...

    ...The highest man would have the greatest multiplicity of drives, in the relatively greatest strength that can be endured. Indeed, where the plant “man” shows himself strongest one finds instincts that conflict powerfully ..., but are controlled."

    That 'Soul' and "Spirit" are a misceginated conceptual synonym gruel is no argument for the Soul as mutually exclusive from the body, which is part of our concern. The term "Spirit" shows more of a resistance; and is more closely linked to the corporeal:

    Spirit
      1. The vital principle or animating force within living beings.
      2. Consciousness.
    1. The soul, considered as departing from the body of a person at death.
    2. Spirit The Holy Spirit.
    3. A supernatural being, as:
      1. An angel or a demon. <LI type=a>A being inhabiting or embodying a particular place, object, or natural phenomenon.
      2. A fairy or sprite.

      1. The part of a human associated with the mind, will, and feelings: Though unable to join us today, they are with us in spirit.
      2. The essential nature of a person or group.
    4. A person as characterized by a stated quality: He is a proud spirit.

      1. An inclination or tendency of a specified kind: Her actions show a generous spirit.
      2. A causative, activating, or essential principle: The couple's engagement was announced in a joyous spirit.
    5. spirits A mood or an emotional state: The guests were in high spirits. His sour spirits put a damper on the gathering.
    6. A particular mood or an emotional state characterized by vigor and animation: sang with spirit.
    7. Strong loyalty or dedication: team spirit.
    8. The predominant mood of an occasion or a period: “The spirit of 1776 is not dead” (Thomas Jefferson).
    9. The actual though unstated sense or significance of something: the spirit of the law.

    tr.v. spir·it·ed, spir·it·ing, spir·its


    1. To carry off mysteriously or secretly: The documents had been spirited away.
    2. To impart courage, animation, or determination to; inspirit.
    I propose that it shows this resistance exactly because the spirit is knowable.
    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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    Re: On The So-Called 'Race Soul'

    Quote Originally Posted by Suut
    I can only respect every ounce of this as it is a this-worldy spirituality. However, I think there a far more elegant manner in which to immerse onself into spirituality (as it has been thus far defined) and complete union and understanding of that animating force without the invocation of a soul that is mutually exclusive from the body. Why this soul? I sense the potential for a dichotemy--a bisection, to be more exact--that is similar to the Christian soul complex: I would like to know how you are in any less danger of being false to the Earth than a Christian even after acknowledging/asserting Race-Soul. You are, when all is said and done, making the claim that the acausal/incorporeal is as, if not more, knowable/valuable than the causal/corporeal,

    no?
    You must understand that I am not talking about a soul that is completely independent from the body, nor am I referring to the separation of concepts soul and body. The alchemical separation of the soul and body is a spiritual practice which is first produced by the “black work” or first phase. This state would then summon the spirit or deep inner forces of the being which must be reduced once again to an even purer substance. It is the purest substance that we may classify as soul. So here one can distinguish three different principles which if they were lumped together as one and the same thing would incur an error.

    The first is the body by which we mean not merely the flesh but the outer shell of the person including emotion, thought, personality, and everything belonging to the normal waking state. In this we have something that is natural as opposed to supernatural. The second principle is the spirit which is recognized by a slight departure from the normal waking state. This lies at the foundation of the “body” or consciousness and is sub-personal. What one experiences in dreams and the less advanced stages of meditation are inner psychological aspects of the person, hence, pertaining to the spirit. These are for the most part “illusory,” at least in this stage, because the eternal and the temporal are at odds with each other. The only gripe that heathens may have with the body is perhaps that it is not perfectly suited to house the pure and potent energies of the cosmos. The storage and usage of an enormous energy causes a great amount of friction which degrades the physical mechanism, in this case, of the body. Thus, normal waking consciousness acts as a sort of governor or regulator reducing this energy into a manageable state and of a single time.

    In the more advanced stages of meditation where the spiritual act is performed almost independently from the body, hence the normal functions of the body are almost completely shut down as it were in somnambulism, one then begins to free himself from the psychological self and to function beyond the bounds of self entirely almost as if he were a part of the universe or a wider energy outside of his own body. The soul must therefore be considered a non-human entity unlike the spirit. For it would not be wise to ignore all the life forms and entities which led up to the human being and which are still in some way a part of the human.

    Now we cannot consider the spiritual act as normal or even natural because it doesn’t exist in the normal state and if it was entirely natural everyone would be doing it. We wouldn’t have millions of people drinking, on drugs or pharmaceuticals, seeking out external stimuli to feel bliss and excitement and serenity. Rather, one would merely will these things to experience them. The greatest secret of all time is that this is exactly what doing the proper rituals transforms one into, be it superhuman, which instead of being a slave to the body the initiate actually commands his own body with precision. Those who have accomplished advanced meditation radiate enormous levels of brainwaves from across the spectrum; they have areas of the brain active which in normal people are not active, and they produce a much higher activity than normal. The difference between spiritual masters and the uninitiated is almost as great if not much greater than the differences between races. That is why the ancients recognized a race of gods and a race of men.

    Now, and this is key, since the spirit directs the body whatever orders the spirit will reflect the outcome of the I, or body. By first separating the soul from the body one may then reintegrate the primordial state, or if you prefer, give to the spirit a new incorruptible body which is called the “immortal body.” The initiate is then transformed to function more and more in the eternal time rather than the former temporal reality.

    Thus we may recognize that everyone has a spirit and a subconscious, sub-personal dimension, a generating force, and so on and so forth. But not everyone operates a superconsciousness, that is, beyond the human capabilities, and which is found in eternal space rather than a limited personal space.

    Or, in other words, samadhi is completely different from dharana and pratyahara.

    Similarly, there is a big difference between a god and a demigod.

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    Re: On The So-Called 'Race Soul'

    1. What is the primordial state?

    2. I could be wrong but I think it was Liebenfels theozoology in which was raised the idea that the collective merits and powers one wins here in this life would be carried forward in their rebirth. Hinduism has similar beliefs. Or von List, p.48, first para on "spiritual treasures". In such a case, one is simultaneously striving in this life, but also striving to become more powerful in the beyond. So, the beyond can be a healthy, realistic motivation and Christian beliefs need have no monopoly on the beyond in such an unhealthy manner of denial. And thus, the carry-forward would suggest, the racial aspect of the soul can and does survive death.

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    Re: On The So-Called 'Race Soul'

    Quote Originally Posted by Utopian
    You must understand that I am not talking about a soul that is completely independent from the body, nor am I referring to the separation of concepts soul and body. The alchemical separation of the soul and body is a spiritual practice which is first produced by the “black work” or first phase. This state would then summon the spirit or deep inner forces of the being which must be reduced once again to an even purer substance. It is the purest substance that we may classify as soul. So here one can distinguish three different principles which if they were lumped together as one and the same thing would incur an error.

    The first is the body by which we mean not merely the flesh but the outer shell of the person including emotion, thought, personality, and everything belonging to the normal waking state. In this we have something that is natural as opposed to supernatural. The second principle is the spirit which is recognized by a slight departure from the normal waking state. This lies at the foundation of the “body” or consciousness and is sub-personal. What one experiences in dreams and the less advanced stages of meditation are inner psychological aspects of the person, hence, pertaining to the spirit. These are for the most part “illusory,” at least in this stage, because the eternal and the temporal are at odds with each other. The only gripe that heathens may have with the body is perhaps that it is not perfectly suited to house the pure and potent energies of the cosmos. The storage and usage of an enormous energy causes a great amount of friction which degrades the physical mechanism, in this case, of the body. Thus, normal waking consciousness acts as a sort of governor or regulator reducing this energy into a manageable state and of a single time.

    In the more advanced stages of meditation where the spiritual act is performed almost independently from the body, hence the normal functions of the body are almost completely shut down as it were in somnambulism, one then begins to free himself from the psychological self and to function beyond the bounds of self entirely almost as if he were a part of the universe or a wider energy outside of his own body. The soul must therefore be considered a non-human entity unlike the spirit. For it would not be wise to ignore all the life forms and entities which led up to the human being and which are still in some way a part of the human.

    Now we cannot consider the spiritual act as normal or even natural because it doesn’t exist in the normal state and if it was entirely natural everyone would be doing it. We wouldn’t have millions of people drinking, on drugs or pharmaceuticals, seeking out external stimuli to feel bliss and excitement and serenity. Rather, one would merely will these things to experience them. The greatest secret of all time is that this is exactly what doing the proper rituals transforms one into, be it superhuman, which instead of being a slave to the body the initiate actually commands his own body with precision. Those who have accomplished advanced meditation radiate enormous levels of brainwaves from across the spectrum; they have areas of the brain active which in normal people are not active, and they produce a much higher activity than normal. The difference between spiritual masters and the uninitiated is almost as great if not much greater than the differences between races. That is why the ancients recognized a race of gods and a race of men.

    Now, and this is key, since the spirit directs the body whatever orders the spirit will reflect the outcome of the I, or body. By first separating the soul from the body one may then reintegrate the primordial state, or if you prefer, give to the spirit a new incorruptible body which is called the “immortal body.” The initiate is then transformed to function more and more in the eternal time rather than the former temporal reality.

    Thus we may recognize that everyone has a spirit and a subconscious, sub-personal dimension, a generating force, and so on and so forth. But not everyone operates a superconsciousness, that is, beyond the human capabilities, and which is found in eternal space rather than a limited personal space.

    Or, in other words, samadhi is completely different from dharana and pratyahara.

    Similarly, there is a big difference between a god and a demigod.
    This is perhaps what I enjoy most about conversing with my brothers: that we are all of one timbre of mind; and yet, can manifest this timbre multifariously. That I am able to intuit through your words, to vivisect the 'one', the 'all', and come back to myself the better for the journey--more psychically complete--is heartening, indeed.

    I would not call some of what you call what you call it; but,

    it is clear to me that we are in union with the same 'One'.

    With that said, I fear that delving deeper into you at this point may very well de-rail my perception of where Moderator Lawless would like to take this thread: which, if I am correct in my perception, will prove most fruitful.
    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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    Re: On The So-Called 'Race Soul'

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrian
    1. What is the primordial state?
    I believe it was Meister Eckhart who wrote that “Man is God, but does not know he is such.”

    The primordial state is so-called for it is the “resurrection” of the divine nature of man, which was lost after the “fall.” It is synonymous with samadhi or nirvana, zen, enlightenment, liberation, the path of the gods, and all that which is divine and eternal. It signifies the third and final phase in the alchemical Great Work in which there is a total union of man with the divine Fire of Heaven.

    I suggest reading the works of Julius Evola for a more detailed explanation.

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