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Thread: The Concept of Race Soul

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    Good point; why would there be racial differences in the physical world if there were no cause in the metaphysical realm?

    Somehow when people think of a soul, they can only think of the human soul. Perhaps this is because the first serious research on the topic of race (that has been of lasting influence) developed as a post-enlightenment positivistic science. In the world of matter people started to divide the human species in races, while the "outdated" concept of the soul remained the same: the human soul. Thus we are left with the idea that race is contingent, yet there is no philosophical base for this. If race were contingent, than why wouldn't the human species as such be contingent as well? The choice of what is and what isn't contingent as proposed by the quote in the opening post ("all racial differences disappear after death" - this quote implies "human" to be non-contingent) clearly is random.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paraplethon View Post
    "Does the soul retain racial characteristics?"

    The initial question is posed the wrong-way-round; implying the physical imprinting on the metaphysical rather than the physical being a base reflection of the metaphysical.
    This would tend to depreciate genetics and define the physical form as a product of the metaphysical. While I agree with you, can you explain how this relates to the ideal of reincarnation? And if not racial, what qualities may we delineate to the metaphysical and how do these correspond to the image of race?

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    The essence of race lies in ancestry.
    Having common ancestors means being a people with a shared history going back for thousands of years. This historical ancestral path shaped a people through its interaction with its ancestral lands and the greater events they have been through. It shapes the folk soul (and therefor that of the individual) because certain characteristics were given precedence through mating and having children. This goes for physical traits but also for mental characteristics. In our case, being a northern people is not only a geographical property, but also signifies our ancestral path that made us who we are right now. It logically also leaves a mark on a person's and a people's soul, which also is passed down through ancestral lines.

    Anyone who speaks of race, speaks of an aspect of the ancestral path. And the problem with being specific about, in our case, the northern folk soul or spirit, is that it usually means quantifying that which we intuitively feel and 'know'. And quantifying things like the folk soul, leads to the same problems as when one tries to quantify what Sprengler calls 'das Ausgedehnte' (the Whole or the extended: signifying all the existing). By quantifying it, we lose important aspects. This is why science is inadequate in understanding the folk soul, and why we indeed need metaphysics.

    So in my opinion, the soul is not just racial. it is the result of an ancestral path. This is why interracial marriage, and having children in this way, is so problematic: More important than race, it means cutting the ancestral soul in half and thus making it very difficult to retrieve or 'live' this spirit. And it actually means irretrievably cutting both ancestral paths in half.

    Honor and defend the northern people,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindefense View Post
    This would tend to depreciate genetics and define the physical form as a product of the metaphysical. While I agree with you, can you explain how this relates to the ideal of reincarnation? And if not racial, what qualities may we delineate to the metaphysical and how do these correspond to the image of race?
    There is much to consider here. Though it may seem to be depreciative of genetics one might well ask: "What drives ones genetic makeup?" If we were to consider the physical is but a reflection of the metaphysical then genes themselves being physical also fall into that consideration. Could be described as what OnePercent was alluding to with the idea of a 'third metaphysical helix'.

    Some modern Thuleans some years ago promoted this sort of idea as an Alchemical way of developing the self - by way of influencing genetics from other 'levels'. As far as Reincarnation goes - you're probably familiar with past efforts to steer ones future incarnations in certain directions: for e.g. ascetic vows refraining from material wealth in one incarnation being taken to influence/direct a future incarnation towards a physical state more resistant to disease.

    As far as qualities; the outward form is a reflection of the inner self. A vital and healthy form is representative of an inner being 'refining' itself: a quest for perfection and the realization/actualization of the divine. Of course, in the present era many are taking a dire backward step; driven by the cult of celebrity and worshipping at the altar of crass/base materialism, undoing perhaps numerous incarnations efforts otherwise - proving, if nothing else, progress isn't a given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody View Post
    The Croatian Cardinal Stepinac has been quoted as saying that;

    "all racial differences disappear after death".

    Now this Cardinal, like most other Catholics, no doubt believes that something survives after death!

    He would say, I think, that the Soul survives the death of our bodies.


    Therefore his first statement implies that the Soul is without race!


    Can this be?


    Surely if there is such a thing as a 'soul', then it would have to have racial qualities - if we believe that race is more than skin deep....


    How many here, taking the Soul as an hypothesis for the moment, think that the Soul is 'race-less'?

    How many here would rather think that the Souls of their ancestors, for example, actually retain racial characteristics in the deeper sense?
    There are those presently on this Earth of ours who may very well have a "race-less" soul. These are the people who are the children of interracial couples. However, the attitude that is stated by the Croatian Cardinal Stepinac is patently false if there is what some refer to as "racial purety".

    Ethnic purety, on the other hand, has probably not existed since the dim past but the vast amjority of the ethnic groups in Europe for instance, are all Indo/European in race as well as in language. While the soul as we perceive it may be a construct of mind...may in fact be a part of mind...it is outside of the physical brain.

    Science can know the brain -- but not the mind/soul. Religion knows of the brain and may think it knows mind/soul. Mind/soul, to me, fits more in the realm of magic. Its existence is un-proven science. I also feel that mind/soul cannot but be race specific because the body is but the shell [the gift wrapping if you will] that holds the mind/soul for a finite time.

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    That everyone has a soul is a dogma I do not believe to be true.

    A soul is recognizable by mercy, compassion, true love etc.

    An animal does not have those traits nor do the majority of people.


    Through out of body experiences one can see that whatever survives death has the same shape as in life.

    Assumed that this part reincarnates it will bring the racial features with it.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Race is material.

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