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    What Germanic Tribes Are the Modern Dutch Descended From?

    What Germanic tribes are the modern Dutch descended from? I always thought they were mostly descended from the Franks and Frisians, but was there any Angle or Saxon input? There were also Celtic tribes which inhabited the modern day Netherlands in ancient times. Do you think they were wiped out or absorbed by their Germanic neighbors? There are supposed to be a large amount of continental Keltic-Nordids among Dutch speakers today.

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    I don't know much about the founding tribes of the Dutch nation, but I would have thought they were mostly made up of Saxons. Also, I believe a tribe which went by the name 'the Cananefates' was a key contributor.
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    The Frisians, the Franks and the Saxons are the major late-Germanic tribes in the Netherlands. There does not seem to be too much Celtic influence, especially above the great rivers. At least not that I am aware of. People generally don't look very Celtic, nor is there any really notable influence in culture or language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hemerik
    People generally don't look very Celtic, nor is there any really notable influence in culture or language.
    How would you describe "looking Celtic"?

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    This map should make it clearer. The green area labled as 5 is the Saxon area of the Netherlands. The grey area in the north is Frisian. The pink-red spectrum is the area of Frankish settlement but I believe the area labeled 4 was settled by Frisians & then gradually became Frankish during the Middle Ages. There are also the Batavi who lived in the region north of the Rhine during the Roman Era, apparently the Batavi were related to the Chatti, ancestors of the Hessians.
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    I've heard the Tubanti, Canninefates and Frisians mentioned. Some one mentioned celtic peoples. There may have been some celtic influence in the south but that would be pre-Roman, for the most part. Hence the lack of any real celtic influence in the area, we do have romans speaking of germanic tribes in the area, but very little mention of gauls or the like. Apart of traders and the like.

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    This thread asks a good question and some good and informative answers are given on it.

    To go a little off topic: The Netherlands is a thorougly Germanic country and the Dutch a thoroughly Germanic people. If the Dutch expelled all the Moslem nationalities and black Africans that are in the NL choking up the place, the NL would be a lot more Germanic and markedly less crowded--and the Dutch a lot happier. We live in hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    I don't know much about the founding tribes of the Dutch nation, but I would have thought they were mostly made up of Saxons. Also, I believe a tribe which went by the name 'the Cananefates' was a key contributor.
    There was also the tribe of the Batavs, which played an important role in national mythology. More importantly their fight against the Romans had played an inspiring role throughout the centuries. I have a small booklet lying in my bookcases that goes into how it was viewed during different times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    How would you describe "looking Celtic"?
    I'd like to know the answer to that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melisande View Post
    I'd like to know the answer to that too.
    So far as I know you can't. Seeing as how its the language and the culture that defines 'celt-ness'. That and the celts had to big of an area in europe to just have one look. A celt who was living in say Ireland would have looked different than say a celtic tribesman living in Hungary.

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