View Poll Results: Members, Do you dislike science?

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Thread: Do Some Members on Here Dislike Science/Reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Þoreiðar View Post
    Scientific "truths" and consensuses has swayed too much back and forth throughout the ages for it to deserve a status of unquestionable trust from me. I value my own perception and obeservation of the World surrounding me and it's mechanics much higher.

    Why 'science' and 'reason' should be automatically lumped together, I don't understand.
    Reason is a synonym for logic and science relies entirely on the scientific method which follows a logical sequence so I guess a more appropriate word would be scientific reason because you can apply reason to many things.

    I wouldn't participate in the poll because to me, neither of the answers make sense and are the workings of a very sick person lashing out who has trouble separating fact from delusion. It is a characteristic of a schizophrenic person to be obssesed with philosophy to the point of losing touch with reality. Better keep taking those meds, because they're not working.

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    I just wrote a rather lengthy post on what is basically the same topic on another thread, but then didn't hit submit. It seemed like maybe it was pointless.

    Glad to see some people standing up for rationality here.
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    Science, by itself, cannot provide ethics and values, however.

    Those can be derived from reason, as well - but not through scientific method.
    Always recognize that human individuals are ends, and do not use them as means to your end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wehrwolf jack View Post
    The problem is that the truth in science is suppressed. There are geneticists that will mention a fact that may lead to a racialist ideal, who are then silenced and ridiculed. This is true for many historians, astronomers, etc. And replaced with these racialists truths is absurd speculations and theories that dismiss true science.
    The truth in science is suppressed by the media, not science itself. Scientists themselves adopt strikingly different postures in relation to the two. They'll generally misrepresent their findings, coat them in ideology, couch them in PC terminology, for the media, which in turn further misrepresents the issue, but scientists always speak in clear, no-bullshit terms to each other. Example: in articles, text books, or any form of media directed at the public you'll find blather about the non-existence of race, the oneness of the universe etc. But nowhere will you find it in a serious scientific journal. If you read science at its source, and not the interpretation of an interpretation, you'll be surprised by how little BS you can find.

    In the scientific literature, there's no effort to mask that populations are genetically distinct groups, and the only reason that the word 'population' has replaced the word 'race' is to account for the genetic differences between groups within a race. There's no shrouding anything in ambiguity to fool the unknowing: The accepted scientific position is that breeding populations are genetically distinct from one another, and the degree of genetic distinctness is inversely proportionate to the closeness of any two group's ancestral/biogeographical heritage.

    The same goes for medical journals. Racial differences are openly discussed. Most attacks on the integrity of science are in fact misplaced attacks on the integrity of journalism or the statements or actions of scientists outside of their official scientific capacity.

    Science in and of itself is obviously true, and even the supernatural is just the 'natural not yet understood'.
    Yes, but the answer to the supernatural lies in psychology.

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    My whole outlook is built on pure science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackCross View Post
    Do Some Members on Here Dislike Science/Reason?

    I'm just curious, because I notice a lot of dislike of rational members by rather emotional members and I was just wondering what they have against science and members who are rational. Yes scientists tend to be too rational and are skeptical but what is so wrong with that? It is a fact of life. *LOL*

    I believe the skeptical person accepts that not every one is skeptical and tend to believe in delusional fantasies for whatever reasons and doesn't mind them. He/she knows that its their duty to fill in with facts and empirical data for the less knowledgeable in a reasonable way in return for a well informed individual who can make better choices for him/herself and society in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feisty goddess View Post
    Reason is a synonym for logic and science relies entirely on the scientific method which follows a logical sequence so I guess a more appropriate word would be scientific reason because you can apply reason to many things.
    Read Karl Popper on The Philosophy of Science, and you will understand why they're lumped together.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    Example: in articles, text books, or any form of media directed at the public you'll find blather about the non-existence of race, the oneness of the universe etc. But nowhere will you find it in a serious scientific journal. If you read science at its source, and not the interpretation of an interpretation, you'll be surprised by how little BS you can find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    The same goes for medical journals. Racial differences are openly discussed. Most attacks on the integrity of science are in fact misplaced attacks on the integrity of journalism or the statements or actions of scientists outside of their official scientific capacity.
    I guess people should just take a bit of their time from reading the Bible and go on PubMed to do some real research and see it for themselves.

    But I guess it's easier to believe that scientists are awful monsters and Jews.



    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    Yes, but the answer to the supernatural lies in psychology.
    And psychiatry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcherontiaStyx View Post
    Read Karl Popper on The Philosophy of Science, and you will understand why they're lumped together.
    I already do understand the connection of reason and logic to science but reason and logic can indeed apply to things other than science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feisty goddess View Post
    I already do understand the connection of reason and logic to science but reason and logic can indeed apply to things other than science.
    I was just giving you a book recommendation It offers a new perspective and even a critic on the scientific method.

    Yes, of course reason and logic can be applied to a lot of things.

    They should be applied to everything...

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    Reason and logic cannot solve every problem; but I always put them above every other value - except, perhaps, creativity. I figure a smart person can juggle a few values, and need not resort to having only one.

    Reason (which includes logic but surpasses it) cannot solve every problem; creativity cannot solve every problem either. But a person who approaches something from the point of view of reason is welcome to a dialogue with me, and I will try to share with them.

    Unreasonable people, not so much.

    Science is not Truth. Science is science. It's always subject to disproof. If new methods of observation, experimentation and analysis arise, science will change, it is always changing.

    Truth is something else - and I think most of us sincerely want to know it.

    Truth is never incompatible with science, though. That's not possible.
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    We should remember James Frazer's distinction between magic and science: when it works, then it's science.

    That is an important distinction, if a little tongue in cheek, because -- as he writes -- science and magic are really one and the same: a concious attempt to affect aspects of the world in which we live through some means. If you try something and it has the desired effect (i.e. it works and can be reliably reproduced), then it's science; if not, and you still persist in the belief that it will have an effect, then its superstition.

    You can, of course, believe anything you want, but if you wish to persuade me you'll need some tangible evidence.

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