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    How Many Dutch People Have Indonesian Ancestry?

    I'm not really sure if this is the right section. I'm really just look for some insights -- preferably from Dutch members -- on how common it is for ostensibly Dutch people to have (or at least claim to have) Indonesian/Far Eastern heritage.

    The reason I ask is that simply in surfing the web, I've noticed this is a relatively common claim, yet the Dutch people I've seen are some of the purest looking Europeans around. On Wikipedia, there's also a few examples, such as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_Oltmans

    So, really, could someone give me some information on rough numbers (what percentage of people you know claim it), whether it's related to regions or class, whether most people are lying (i.e. the '1/8th Native American' syndrome), and in what context did it occur (if indeed it did)?

    Thanks.

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    It does seem very common for Dutch people to claim Indonesian ancestry, but those claims are difficult to verify. For example, I have seen information which suggests Geert Wilders, Robin van Persie, Eddie van Halen, and a number of other notable Dutch have roots in Indonesia. Those people do not display particularly Asiatic features, but do look atypical for the Netherlands. That said, I cannot find any genealogical information detailing ethnic Indonesian roots for those or others.

    There is the Indo ethnic group; people of mixed Dutch and Indonesian ancestry, who numbered around 431,000 in the Netherlands as of 2001, but most examples I have seen are blatantly mixed-race.

    I think there may be a tendency to generalize Dutch nationals whose ancestors colonized Indonesia during the period of Dutch rule as having ethnic Indonesian roots, when in reality their ancestors probably did not intermarry with the natives. There is this prevailing assumption that anyone with roots in colonial lands by necessity has indigenous blood, be it in the Americas, Australia, or even Indonesia.

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    The most wellknown example in America would be Mark Paul Gosselaar:


    I don't think the average person would suspect, I don't know how much Indonesian he is.


    The Van Halen brothers (below with their parents) are more famous but the admixture is much more obvious.


    There are a few others I can think of off the top of my head but their surnames would give them away. As for Van Persie, does Persie = Persia?
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    This is something I would have never thought of myself. I think in the majority of the cases, and I'm really surprised there are such cases, the "Indonesian descent" refers to ancestors who were ethnic-Dutch but born in Indonesia. I guess people like to appear more exotic than they really are, especially if their minds are plagued by White-guilt. I don't see how this man for example,

    is in any way Asian. I mean, aside from his clearly sculpted Europid bone structure, his hair is even wavy. If he has ethnic-Indonesian ancestry it's probably around 1/128th to 1/256th, in which case it would be pathological to even mention it.

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    No Dutch input? I really just want to know roughly how many people you come across who look pure Dutch who claim non-white heritage.

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    Well, a guy I use to know maried an half Indonesian woman.
    They had three kids One darkblonde blue eyed son, blonde blueeyed daughter and their last son was an typical indonesian kid.
    Which we always make fun of it.

    The guy himself had dark brown hair and brown eyes whilst his mother was a blonde.
    His wife has a dutch mother.
    Those genes always seem to skip a generation

    I think there are plenty of those examples in the Netherlands.
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    Ive heard the same from a friend of mine. Her Father was a Dutch exporter that married an indonesian woman.

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    I've just watched an episode of 'Coast' - a BBC documentary series that looks at the people and places of the coastal areas of Britain. They did an episode on the Netherlands today where they featured an Indonesian Dutchman.

    He said that the Netherlands were a real melting pot and how great it was that there were all these Indonesians, and Turks there. Also that the Dutch didn't have much of a native cuisine. Apparently Dutch people tell tourists to go to Indonesian restaurants as the Dutch don't place much emphasis on their own food. Is that true? If so it's a bit depressing. I know we're not that proud of our own cuisine in the UK, but I had thought we were a rarity for that.

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    The easy answer is NONE OF THEM. Because if they have Indonesian ancestry, they ain't really Dutch.

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    I don't think our fondness of foreign foods is that much different compared to other nations in western Europe. This guy seems to be exagerating. The funny thing is that a lot of Dutch people are quite fond of Indonesian rijsttafel (rice table), but the rijsttafel is actually a Dutch invention. It's based on indonesian foods and all ingredients are indonesian, but it's not a traditional indonesian food. It's rather a part of Dutch culture which reminds us of our colonial history.
    I think it's also quite unique that this Indonesian admired the melting pot idea, because somehow most Indonesians (at least those I've met) and even those of partial indonesian stock seem to be quite (if not very) rightwing.

    About the topic, I think most people do know some people who have indonesian admixture. Out of the top of my head I have known five (two were from the same family) in my life, so it's not really a lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox
    I really just want to know roughly how many people you come across who look pure Dutch who claim non-white heritage.
    One of the five people mentioned above looked completely Dutch. She said that she had one indonesian grandparent. But you rarely hear people claiming indonesian ancestry. It's not like the popular american "I have an indian ancestor" -stories.
    It's hard to say how much admixture there is, but in my everyday life it's quite rare that I encounter someone who has.

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