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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiona View Post
    I'm completely baffled by politics and economics. The more I read about it the less I understand. I really just don't think anyone has any control over any of it.
    Indeed. Apart from the Bilderbergers, the safeguards of world economics and the banking system, no one knows all the details that are at work in the background. This is so by intention and design.

    Already Rothschild said: it's good that no one understands how our system works. For if they would, we would all hang from the trees.

    The thing with Iceland is a showcase example of the mechanisms at work in a small, overviewable area, relatively limited to Iceland itself, with clearly traceable offshots into other countries at a very late stage. The world of finance functions like that with much better hidden traces and roots and interconnections and manipulation (just look at Soros, one of the more visible manipulators today) for like 300 years though. It's a hell of a mess of information that is almost impossible to put together to a complete big picture. Which is, as said, the very intention.


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    Ultimately, through their failure to fulfil their duty as free citizens they all share in the responsibility for this developement. If we become slaves in the future it will be because the people have asked for it!
    Well, for one, we are already slaves. And second, you can only fulfill your duty as "free" (whatever that may be) citizen if and when you are given all informations. This is clearly not the case, so whatever you decide is based on wrong/incomplete (and intentionally kept blurred) information - and the outcome is pre-designed through the selected info you have. For the common man on the street it's also not possible to get the full information. In essence, the clown show of "democratic voting" is only a pseudo-legitimization of dictatorship that forces upon the people whatever they think fills their pockets best.

    Sure, one could accuse the hypnotised-by-media-entertainment public of being ignorant, blind, "unwilling" to see (and for some this might be true), but for most people the world just looks fine and free and perfectly in order, they have no reason to question what is presented to them as "reality".

    It is really the duty of those who understand what's going on to tear down that sorry facade. The "people" out there dont have this chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    It is really the duty of those who understand what's going on to tear down that sorry facade. The "people" out there dont have this chance.
    Absolutely, and it is a heavy duty indeed. At the same time it has to be said that we are no supermen or exeptionally intelligent people. Somehow we found an opening and chose to go down the path of understanding. And through trial and error we managed to piece together the big picture and understand the causality of our predicament to some extent. There were no more tools available to us than to the rest of the population.

    I disagree that we are slaves though.We might be prisoners, but as long as we refuse the enemy our spirit we are free men and women!

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    Iceland set to pay back British debt 'in months' following massive sale of retail stakes

    Iceland is to speed up a massive sale of retail assets belonging to the Landsbanki bank in an attempt to pay off the lion’s share of the country’s outstanding debt to Britain within months.

    Landsbanki has a financial interest in frozen food store chain Iceland, the famous London toy store Hamleys, jewellery group Aurum - which owns Goldsmiths and Mappin & Webb - and department store group House of Fraser.

    The bank, which was effectively nationalised in 2008 during the financial crisis and is now run by a resolution committee, will begin the renewed effort in the coming weeks to attempt to raise at least part of the money ‘by Christmas’, sources said.

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    Rest of article here:
    http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/n...assive-sale-re

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    After what the UK did, they should make the payment in pennies. From 30,000 feet...

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    Nevertheless Iceland is a remarkable nation: proud, selfconfident, which is totally unusual nowadays !

    I wonder if it will become an active member in the forced EU community.

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    All Hail to Iceland!

    A story missing from our media: Iceland's on-going revolution

    by Deena Stryker

    An Italian radio program's story about Iceland’s on-going revolution is a stunning example of how little our media tells us about the rest of the world. We may remember that at the start of the 2008 financial crisis, Iceland literally went bankrupt. The reasons were mentioned only in passing, and since then, this little-known member of the European Union fell back into oblivion.

    As one European country after another fails or risks failing, imperiling the Euro, with repercussions for the entire world, the last thing the powers that be want is for Iceland to become an example. Here's why:

    Five years of a pure neo-liberal regime had made Iceland, (population 320 thousand, no army), one of the richest countries in the world. In 2003 all the country’s banks were privatised, and in an effort to attract foreign investors, they offered on-line banking whose minimal costs allowed them to offer relatively high rates of return. The accounts, called IceSave, attracted many UK and Dutch small investors. But as investments grew, so did the banks’ foreign debt. In 2003 Iceland’s debt was equal to 200 times its GNP, but in 2007, it was 900 percent. The 2008 world financial crisis was the coup de grace. The three main Icelandic banks, Landbanki, Kapthing and Glitnir, went belly up and were nationalised, while the Kroner lost 85% of its value with respect to the Euro. At the end of the year Iceland declared bankruptcy.

    Contrary to what could be expected, the crisis resulted in Icelanders recovering their sovereign rights, through a process of direct participatory democracy that eventually led to a new Constitution. But only after much pain.

    Geir Haarde, the Prime Minister of a Social Democratic coalition government, negotiated a two million one hundred thousand dollar loan, to which the Nordic countries added another two and a half million. But the foreign financial community pressured Iceland to impose drastic measures. The FMI and the European Union wanted to take over its debt, claiming this was the only way for the country to pay back Holland and Great Britain, who had promised to reimburse their citizens.

    Protests and riots continued, eventually forcing the government to resign. Elections were brought forward to April 2009, resulting in a left-wing coalition which condemned the neoliberal economic system, but immediately gave in to its demands that Iceland pay off a total of three and a half million Euros. This required each Icelandic citizen to pay 100 Euros a month (or about $130) for fifteen years, at 5.5% interest, to pay off a debt incurred by private parties vis a vis other private parties. It was the straw that broke the reindeer’s back.

    What happened next was extraordinary. The belief that citizens had to pay for the mistakes of a financial monopoly, that an entire nation must be taxed to pay off private debts was shattered, transforming the relationship between citizens and their political institutions and eventually driving Iceland’s leaders to the side of their constituents. The Head of State, Olafur Ragnar Grimsson, refused to ratify the law that would have made Iceland’s citizens responsible for its bankers’ debts, and accepted calls for a referendum.

    Of course the international community only increased the pressure on Iceland. Great Britain and Holland threatened dire reprisals that would isolate the country. As Icelanders went to vote, foreign bankers threatened to block any aid from the IMF. The British government threatened to freeze Icelander savings and checking accounts. As Grimsson said: “We were told that if we refused the international community’s conditions, we would become the Cuba of the North. But if we had accepted, we would have become the Haiti of the North.” (How many times have I written that when Cubans see the dire state of their neighbor, Haiti, they count themselves lucky.)

    In the March 2010 referendum, 93% voted against repayment of the debt. The IMF immediately froze its loan. But the revolution (though not televised in the United States), would not be intimidated. With the support of a furious citizenry, the government launched civil and penal investigations into those responsible for the financial crisis. Interpol put out an international arrest warrant for the ex-president of Kaupthing, Sigurdur Einarsson, as the other bankers implicated in the crash fled the country.

    But Icelanders didn't stop there: they decided to draft a new constitution that would free the country from the exaggerated power of international finance and virtual money. (The one in use had been written when Iceland gained its independence from Denmark, in 1918, the only difference with the Danish constitution being that the word ‘president’ replaced the word ‘king’.)

    To write the new constitution, the people of Iceland elected twenty-five citizens from among 522 adults not belonging to any political party but recommended by at least thirty citizens. This document was not the work of a handful of politicians, but was written on the internet. The constituent’s meetings are streamed on-line, and citizens can send their comments and suggestions, witnessing the document as it takes shape. The constitution that eventually emerges from this participatory democratic process will be submitted to parliament for approval after the next elections.

    Some readers will remember that Iceland’s ninth century agrarian collapse was featured in Jared Diamond’s book by the same name. Today, that country is recovering from its financial collapse in ways just the opposite of those generally considered unavoidable, as confirmed yesterday by the new head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde to Fareed Zakaria. The people of Greece have been told that the privatization of their public sector is the only solution. And those of Italy, Spain and Portugal are facing the same threat.

    They should look to Iceland. Refusing to bow to foreign interests, that small country stated loud and clear that the people are sovereign.

    That’s why it is not in the news anymore.
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    320 thousand!

    My little town has 250 thousand!

    I know this is off topic but what a fragile little environment to introduce other species of humans!
    'you're all just visiting' -the good shepherd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiona View Post
    320 thousand!

    My little town has 250 thousand!

    I know this is off topic but what a fragile little environment to introduce other species of humans!
    Fragile??

    Hehe.. I guess you havent read about the "fisheries war" between UK and Iceland back in the 70'es?

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    Thatīs the difference between Libya and Iceland: both nations refuse to bow to foreign interests. Libya has already been brought over by force to join western democracy, international exploitation of its natural resources, globalization etc.

    Iceland has not been forced yet ....

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    Well well! Looks like the world is trying to gain control over government and $$$$$! To me it seems like individuals are finally done with using other countries as scape goats and are pointing the finger right on target of who is to blame and who is to fix it!!!

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