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    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    Anno suffered depression while working on Evangelion and the weird ending supposedly reflects that. The Napier book goes into a bit of detail. People look for nonexistent meanings in Evangelion because it is confusing. Literally books were written in Japan about this.

    If you look at NGE the characters are all dysfunctional. There is social commentary in NGE. About hikikomori syndrome and marriable women who cannot have relationships. One of the manosphere sites used NGE characters to explain modern men and women. Anime can be art but annoying people talk as though the medium were enlightened on the whole. Of course Gainax is itself seen as milking a cash cow nowadays. Its come down a long way since Wings of Honnemaise. Gainax is not really my cup of tea but NGE has true classic status. Its also a great lesson in public responses to confusing media messages.
    You have absolutely right that behind the large battles there were a many human with humgan tragedies and mental disorders. In the end of ending when the World destroyed the last and the first woman is just a egoist hysteric and the last and the first man is just a daydreamer with mental disorders what will cause that their descendant will make a same disfunctional sociaty what destroyed.

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    Some people really disliked the ending of Eva.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    Some people really disliked the ending of Eva.

    Oh, what does it mean?

    "Remember that, even when those who move you be kings or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus,"or that virtue "was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice."
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    Cowboy Bebop

    The one of the most fameous Japanese Anime is the Cowboy Bebop. This Anime mix the style of the cowboy, noir and scifi-movies. We are in the late 21th century where the most of the Earth is destroyed by a huge cataclysm what caused the humans. The people live in the Mars, the several Moon of the outer planets and spastation. The two bountyhunter Jet Black, the former police inspector and Spike Spiegel the handsome and tricky man with very doubious past. Later will join the team to Ein, the superintelligent dog, Edward, a computer nerd girl and the femme fatale Faye Valentine. This team starts after any criminal that they can bring them to the police and get the sweer money.

    I think this is enough and I suggest to see one of the best Japanese Anime.




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    Its just a picture of vandalism by angry fans.

    Eva was an interesting story just none of the characters were likable. This was deliberate.

    As I type I am reading an old Eva forum. Gainax fans are annoying. They repeat the same things over and over and are in denial about basic series canon. They also do not grasp the sci-fi setting and religious references are a mere backdrop to psychological drama. Many Eva fans therefore miss the point of Eva.

    Given how many feminists are on anime forums I can't help but wonder if there are reasons people have hangups about Shinji and Misato despite Anno's own statements. There is a lot of criticism of modern gender roles, sex and love in those characters. Someone such as Roosh could have penned this. So many people finding them unnerving proves Anno hit the target. So much ink has been written trying to rationalise away something so explicit for a reason. (Young men are sexually impotent. Young women are scared of relationships and want a daddy figure to punish them. Sex has become separated from personal relations.)

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    Evangelion

    What of the most shatter scene was Misato Kutsaragis' death. She was a cheerful, alcoholistic, but good teacher of the pilot and at leasr she died too.

    She lives.



    She dies




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    Misato creeps them out because she is an average Millenial woman these days. And Shinji is not far from a normal Millennial man.

    Even those stupid web discussions about whether Misato is a paedophile(!) prove Hideki Anno was correct. The assumption is that sex without rape can be abuse. Like Misato wants to be punished by ordinary sex with a father figure. Many people with sexual hangups interpret sex itself as akin to rape or sexual abuse. Innocent flirtations and well meaning comfort bonks, within Millenial clickbait media, take on a sinister tone. Like Misato and Shinji the writers see sex as using people. When you understand sexual acts as two people consenting as man and woman you cannot fathom such a Victorian attitude. And it is Victorian even if the Millenial females are riding the cock carousel on birth control.

    Eva was one of these dystopian futurist works that came true. Social isolation and women in the workplace carries social costs. Misato types have no interest in motherhood despite their body clock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    Misato creeps them out because she is an average Millenial woman these days. And Shinji is not far from a normal Millennial man.

    Even those stupid web discussions about whether Misato is a paedophile(!) prove Hideki Anno was correct. The assumption is that sex without rape can be abuse. Like Misato wants to be punished by ordinary sex with a father figure. Many people with sexual hangups interpret sex itself as akin to rape or sexual abuse. Innocent flirtations and well meaning comfort bonks, within Millenial clickbait media, take on a sinister tone. Like Misato and Shinji the writers see sex as using people. When you understand sexual acts as two people consenting as man and woman you cannot fathom such a Victorian attitude. And it is Victorian even if the Millenial females are riding the cock carousel on birth control.

    Eva was one of these dystopian futurist works that came true. Social isolation and women in the workplace carries social costs. Misato types have no interest in motherhood despite their body clock.
    Öhm, I never find any perversion in this serie. Misato and Shinji were adults, well, they do that, but the Anime was not an explicit like a Hentai. Howver yes, Misato was the typical single 30s with his house pet and she lives for the work and the alcohol at home, somites in a bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    Howver yes, Misato was the typical single 30s with his house pet and she lives for the work and the alcohol at home, somites in a bar.
    Misato is only in her 20s not in her 30s. She is only old enough to be his mother she is that age to stress Shinji's Oedipus complex and to show the immaturity of modern women nearly 30. She is drawn as a playful college girl because that is her mental age. Anno wanted them to appear as two young adults with Misato as a girl next door, not an older woman. As I said the Gainax audience think if it alludes to sex - even unconsummated attraction - one must look for evil as well. If it suggests blurring the line between sex and relationships something gets under their skins. Just like Shinji and Misato. Gainax trolled their own audience who still don't get it (QED).

    Anyway I liked this book. I was offered to work as a Jonathan Clements type because I understand the cultural references and the pop culture. The politics did not fit however.






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    Ghost in the Shell

    Ah, there is Motoko Kusanagi from the Ghost in the Shell. The Anime movie was so good, the second movie was yet weird, the serie is weird too, when somebody wants smuggle from Japan a Human Brain in a suitcase. That was KO, because I strongly fear that this world will come. I believe a natur, a human and a humanist civilization what serves the nature and the human, not this weird cyber-civilisation when a human brain will be an object and at least we will be rather a cyborg who just see the profit with cold head without emotion than a human with emotions.


    "Remember that, even when those who move you be kings or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus,"or that virtue "was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice."
    /King Baldwin IV in the Kingdom of Heaven/

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