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    How Do You Feel About Psychedelic Drug Use?

    Some people think use of these can obscure the line between reality and imagination and cause other mental problems, but others think one cannot have a truly spiritual life without them. What do you think?

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    In my teens I was really into the whole psychedelic/spiritual experience of entheogens.

    I've experimented with many different types of psychedelics; Amanita Muscaria Mushrooms, LSD, Mescaline, Kava Kava, Salvia, LSA, etc.

    However, I wasn't doing it merely to get high, to me the spiritual discovery was much more important. I also didn't do any of those drugs without doing extensive research on their composition, effects and possible health complications and erowid.com was extremely helpful in that research.

    I've done these drugs sparsely but during several years. As you may know psychedelics such as the drugs mentioned above don't cause physical dependency.

    After some years I grew tired of them. I realized that the spiritual awakenings had their importance but they were not really contributing much to my life as real life experiences would.

    However, unbeknownst to me, all those years I had predispositions to several psychiatric disorders such as a mild form of schizophrenia, depression and bipolar disorder with psychotic features. Back then I had no idea that one day I'd have these disorders.

    The drugs definitely didn't cause any of my disorders but they worsened them and there was no way I could have known because back then I was "normal" and these disorders only reach their onset much later in life. Which means, you only learn about them when it's too late.

    Today I have to take a cocktail of psychiatric drugs which I call my "chemical straitjacket" so I can function properly and lead a normal life.

    I don't regret anything I've done and I personally defend the right of any one willing to experiment with drugs and that the so-called "war on drugs" in the US is a sham but I can't stress enough that drugs aren't for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackCross View Post

    However, I wasn't doing it merely to get high, to me the spiritual discovery was much more important.
    LIES.

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    The drugs definitely didn't cause any of my disorders but they worsened them and there was no way I could have known because back then I was "normal" and these disorders only reach their onset much later in life. Which means, you only learn about them when it's too late.
    They sort of did cause it. You would probably have never faced schizophrenia if you hadn't experimented with shrooms.

    People without a karyotype analysis should NOT experiment with these things. You never know what markers you have.

    I did a LOT of ephedrine/phenfen/thermogenics for fitness, and only later found out about my extremely high genetic predisposition for heart disease. Too late.

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    I do. Seriously.

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    I've taken magic mushrooms and I've taken DMT in both smoked and aural forms, perhaps between 6-12 times over the past year or two.

    While I believe there is a unique insight to be gained into the nature of reality from the use of psychedelic drugs, I would make it very clear that these substances are certainly not for everyone. They should not for instance be taken by anyone with any history of schizophrenia or any tendencies in that direction.

    Even the most mentally stable person needs to approach these chemicals with caution and with the sober understanding that they will (sooner or later) experience a trip where they undergo feelings of fear or even terror for anything up to several hours.

    With this understanding I embarked on my "psychedelic adventure" with the intention of expanding my mind. And I believe I did achieve that result at least to some extent.

    My mind has been expanded in the sense that I was brought face to face with the sure and certain knowledge that there is more to this thing that we call "reality" than is commonly supposed by the general public.

    What we usually refer to as reality is nothing more or less than the information supplied by our 5 senses and then interpreted by our brain.These 5 senses were designed to provide us with just those aspects of reality that were/are relevant to our species survival and reproduction.

    All aspects of reality not relevant to survival (whatever they may be), are ignored by our senses or filtered out by our conscious mind, most of the time.

    Ok. Now it is one thing to watch some program on the discovery channel about how the brain works and be aware of the above facts intellectually.
    However it is quite another to be sitting on your bed after innocently smoking some "funny tobacco" only to see what might best be described as "the 4th dimension" unfold before your eyes followed by the realisation that your physical body is dissolving into a goo made of information.

    The above description is not hyperbole btw, as anyone who has taken a large dose of DMT will attest.

    My view on Psychedelic drugs is that they are one way for those seeking to engage as deeply as possible with the mystery of existence to do so. But, although inconclusive, there probably is some risk to mental health.

    I will say at this point that I still count the few fear-based experiences I had while taking DMT as worthwhile. At least as worthwhile as those moments of euphoria, and probably more so. They showed me that I could tolerate a certain amount of fear and get through it without losing all composure. They showed me too that there is certain knowledge I probably can't handle.

    My over-riding memory and the most valuable insight I take away from my psychedelic adventures was not the moments of euphoria or the satisfaction of having conquered some level of fear but rather the intensified sense of wonder and awe at this thing we casually call "reality".
    Close observation may result in feelings of horror, wonder and awe at world you find yourself inhabiting.

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    I think that psychoactive drugs are definitely for people who have a very secure foundation in an objective reality. I mean priest-class, mature adults, young men who wholeheartedly seek divine truth, etc. I've seen people go bonkers, but I've seen people get better as well.

    I knew a guy who said that his god gave him express permission in order to better comprehend him (his god) as well as better perceive the world and the guy's relation to it.

    That guy was one of the most intelligent people I've met, and he's still racialist with a very healthy-minded moral paradigm; e.g. - he's not some hedonist liberal like many of the hippy scene-kids seem to think life is all about. I think it's more of a delusional world they've constructed to feel better in a disgusting world. And now everyone hates drugs because of that image (among other things)...

    I have a theory that it's more useful for moreso-contaminated blood, as lighter peoples seem to already be close to divinity. It's definitely not necessary for everyone - some people are brilliant enough to know without drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longbeardblood View Post
    I have a theory that it's more useful for moreso-contaminated blood, as lighter peoples seem to already be close to divinity. It's definitely not necessary for everyone - some people are brilliant enough to know without drugs.
    Uh, what do you mean by "contaminated blood"?

    In my experience, it's usually white people that use psychedelic drugs anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of the North View Post
    Uh, what do you mean by "contaminated blood"?

    In my experience, it's usually white people that use psychedelic drugs anyway.
    You are correct. I should know.....although it all happened MANY years ago. I've not met many psychedelic drug users who were nonwhite. Suppose the most famous nonwhite user I can think of was the guitarist Jimi Hendrix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of the North View Post
    Uh, what do you mean by "contaminated blood"?

    In my experience, it's usually white people that use psychedelic drugs anyway.
    Most Native American and most tribal ethnic groups of darker peoples (Sami, some Turkish Sufis, etc.) in the world use either Psilocybin or Amanitas Muscaria (or some weeds, etc.) to communicate with their gods. The effect of psychoactive substances doesn't completely take over whiter people's minds as it does these darker people, and they can't as easily separate reality from fiction, etc. But without these, it's possible they would be stuck in materialism and not be able to hear the gods anyways.

    I am completely not okay with forcing these drugs on people, like the drug addicts do (for instance by saying you can't be enlightened without), because some men (often the whiter) are intelligent and creative enough as it is.

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    I really don't understand it honestly, I like myself the way I am, and I can become more aware of the truth by meditating or studying if I want to. I was blessed with a vivid imagination and a great ability to come up with ideas, so that sort of thing is not hard for me. Drug usage is just gross and the choice of people who don't have half a brain. It will absolutely cause brain damage in some form or another. I am proud to admit that I have never used drugs (except some that were forced down my throat for a few months) and never will because its for scumbags. I did try to get high one time from sniffing nail polish (which didn't do anything but lower my IQ and make me hyper) when I was a twit at 14, but considering the number of kids who at least smoke pot and do other things like that I have an extremely clear history.
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    I'm sad to admit that I smoked half a bowl of chronic on newyears 2010, my whole body started tingling starting from my face then proceeding across the rest of my body, I started to get scarred and thought I couldn't move (lol). The experience ended with me puking for 2 hours... all because I wanted to look cool(...lol). I will never touch any form of drug again for the rest of my life. Those that seek a "phychedelic" high are just escapists, people that are so unsatisfied with there own lives that they'll destroy their bodies to to get away from their current existence. I pity those people, for having such a shallow perspective of spirituality... what a waste.
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