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    Nazi Family History Lessons

    Nazi family history put to good use by Inge Franken
    By Stephen Evans BBC News, Berlin
    Inge's father

    Inge Franken is a sprightly 70-year-old who lives in an apartment on two floors in Berlin. She has a task, a mission. She tours schools educating children about her - and their - country's dark history.

    She shows the class a photograph of two young boys (see photo) who pose in Nazi regalia, and she seeks reaction. One has his chest puffed out in pride, the other seems reluctant. It is for today's children to decide which they would rather be.

    If the school visit goes well, she says, a child will say that he or she is going home to ask the parents and grandparents what happened in the war in their family. It makes Inge feel that she has set people thinking and asking.

    She was spurred to this mission by her own past, a past hidden in a suitcase - and her mother's mind.
    Inge Inge was 40 when she read letters detailing her father's activities during the war

    She was only two when her father died in the Siege of Leningrad, so she never knew him, or knew him only through the letters that her mother would read to her on Sundays.

    "She said, 'Come, sit down. I will read some parts of father's letter. You should know him because he is not here and you can't see what a wonderful man he was'."
    Letters from the front

    But Inge the child noticed gaps, sections that her mother skipped over, and those gaps nagged her for decades into adulthood. At the age of 40, she asked her mother if she could read the letters in full.

    What she discovered was that the gaps were detailed descriptions of bad events in which her father seemed to be implicated. He was a committed Nazi who joined the party in 1933 and an officer on the Russian front, and he had clearly been involved in terrible things.

    "More than 30 partisans are hanging on the trees," one letter said. There was a sense of pride in his letters at the might of the German war machine.

    “My mother was a proud widow because she was widow for the Fuhrer, for the leader, for Hitler”

    -Inge Franken

    "I phoned my mother and she said, 'Oh Inge. I didn't want you to read this because it was terrible'."

    Over the years, Inge's mother, herself, had undergone a rebirth. When war broke out, she and her husband were both staunch Nazis, and when her husband died she had grieved with pride.

    "My mother was a proud widow because she was widow for the Fuhrer, for the leader, for Hitler," says Inge.

    She had a certificate from the Nazi authorities telling her that her husband had died "in the struggle for the freedom of Greater Germany". She kept photographs of him taken in uniform on the Russian front, his chest puffed out in pride.
    Boys in Nazi regalia Inge uses this picture of two boys in her lessons on moral choice

    And, then, with total defeat, she found she had lost everything - her home, her husband and her ideology.

    And shame gradually came to her, helped by her daughter, so when Inge asked her about the events in the letters, her mother was very ashamed.
    Jewish connections

    The discovery prompted Inge to help the descendants of Holocaust survivors and victims to find their history, and also to talk in schools.

    "When I started to make connections with Jews in Germany and elsewhere, my mother said, 'You are doing this for me, too'."

    Throughout Germany, there are people like Inge, seeking out the painful past - tending cemeteries and synagogues, creating museums, simply documenting.

    Arthur Obermayer, who is Jewish, used to visit Southern Germany with his wife to trace their families' pasts.
    Nazi certificate Inge's mother was initially proud of her husband who died in the Siege of Leningrad

    "In every town, we found people who on a volunteer basis were preserving Jewish history and culture," he says.

    "And they were doing it just because they felt that as Germans it was the right thing to do, because they felt that there was no other constructive way they could respond to Germany's horrible past."

    Inge has called a family meeting for this summer. "In my family it was a long time before we could talk about the family history because a lot of the family have been Nazis," she says.

    Will it be an easy, amicable meeting? "No," she roared. "People my age say: 'Why are we talking about it? Everybody knows what happened in the family'. And then the next generation says, 'Father, you never told me. I knew nothing about the family background'.

    "But now they can come. They can listen. They can read a lot of letters and documents.

    "And people are coming. Young people are coming".

    It should be said that Arthur Obermayer feels great hope for Germany. Inge, too, says that much is being done. A past is being confronted - painfully.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12882336

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oski View Post
    "And they were doing it just because they felt that as Germans it was the right thing to do, because they felt that there was no other constructive way they could respond to Germany's horrible past."
    Why are (mostly) only Germans supposed to be ashamed for their past? Because they were defeated, unfortunately.

    Do the Russians feel sorry for the Jews for the pogroms? Do the Chinese feel sorry for millions of Chinese dissidents? Do the Bantu Africans feel sorry for the east Africans? Do the Turks feel sorry for the Armenians? Do I feel sorry for the American Indians that my family likely helped fight?

    History is full of groups fighting and killing each other, but no one is forced to feel as guilty as the Germans. Is there even any evidence of gas chambers ever being used, or is it all just lipservice?

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    Yet another of these cases. I just accidentally came across a documentary on TV a while ago which was all about a woman researching her family history and then publically denouncing her parents/grandparents, which resulted in breaking up with some of her siblings who didn't share her passion for public self-flagellation in the name of modern political correctness.

    I find it disgusting how these brainwashed fools wallow in their 'collective guilt' and publically slander their own families and ancestors and try to pass on the indoctrination to the next generation.

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    Some Russians do feel badly about both Jews and fellow Russians being killed (not to mention the Tsar's family - there's a huge resurgence of guilt and church attending and wanting to make amends for that).

    And yes, some Americans do feel some pain - and sometimes guilt - about treatment of Native Americans (depending on what they know and what their own ancestors did; I've heard a speech by a Custer family descendant, trying to deal with their ancestor's actions, including their sense that his leadership at Little Big Horn was not the best.

    I do think Germany is a little overboard at trying to drill into its citizens that the Nazi past was completely black. I can't remember the news story of the week of suppression of freedom of Speech in Germany, but there's one nearly every week. Certainly, little kids can't bring grandpa's or great grandpa's war medals or memorabilia to school in most places, I'm guessing. But let's not forget that the Führer himself didn't give the right kind of end-of-war rhetoric, did not explain his own actions at the end, and seemed to have caved in to despair and depression. There certainly were no psychological trauma specialists jumping up to help Germans through those bleak post-war years.

    I've met lots of Germans who moved to America in the 20th century - but all of them moved *before* the war. The people I know who moved after the war were born after 1980, and in each case, they were women who had married American soldiers - not exactly a good sample of what Germans in Germany are thinking and feeling. But, this second group of younger Germans claims that talk about the war was virtually non-existent in their families (which is true for some Americans, too, two of my uncles would not speak of the war; my dad will talk about it - and now that he's 93, he has been asked to talk about it by lots of people, and so he has begun to talk quite a bit about the war - it's very interesting).

    Germany has made it a national plan to induce guilt in their citizens, to cooperate in holocaust memorials, etc. And in that way, they really do differ from Russians - who if they were to take the same path, would certainly tear down every memorial to Stalin and revise their history - but they haven't, at least not in all cases (some of Stalin's marks on Moscow architecture have been torn down, but without a lot of fanfare).

    I'm sure the gas chamber issue has been discussed on Skadi before (I would think, anyway). To me (and I've done some primary research on the subject and published one article), the situation is complex and difficult to discuss anywhere. I haven't been here long enough to feel comfortable expressing my viewpoints on the topic, which I generally keep to myself. Certainly, there were concentration camps, and in those camps, some people were deliberately killed. It was a war.

    It can be compared easily to several events involving Native Americans in the United States.

    But both situations are complex. No simple moralistic view ever applies to history. And to me, Stalin's murders of his own people - especially the officers who fought for him in World War II - are in a different class of action altogether (IMO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Article
    What she discovered was that the gaps were detailed descriptions of bad events in which her father seemed to be implicated. He was a committed Nazi who joined the party in 1933 and an officer on the Russian front, and he had clearly been involved in terrible things.
    As if he were to be on the other side he wouldn't be involved in terrible things
    Only Nazis are capable of doing terrible things

    "More than 30 partisans are hanging on the trees," one letter said. There was a sense of pride in his letters at the might of the German war machine.
    You mean these guys?




    The one's who held an active hostile role against the Germans in hit-and-run ambushes during the occupations. They don't deserve to be hung because of assaults against the German soldiers because?...


    "In every town, we found people who on a volunteer basis were preserving Jewish history and culture," he says.
    Preserving Jewish Culture and History in Germany = Noble Hero
    Preserving German Culture and History in Germany = Racist enemy of state

    This is absolutely preposterous.


    "And they were doing it just because they felt that as Germans it was the right thing to do, because they felt that there was no other constructive way they could respond to Germany's horrible past."
    I could have hammered out a few curse words here, but I'll refrain.
    These kinds of statements make me want to pull my hair out.


    Will it be an easy, amicable meeting? "No," she roared. "People my age say: 'Why are we talking about it? Everybody knows what happened in the family'. And then the next generation says, 'Father, you never told me. I knew nothing about the family background'.
    What I see in articles like this is that Jews and Gentile lapdogs alike are doing the magnificent job of keeping the body of Hitler and the memory of National-Socialism alive and well. One can't go a day without seeing some reference to Nazis, Hitler, "Godwin's Law", Swastikas, fancy SS uniforms so as to allude to "nazi uniformity", Iron Cross so as to not have such an effect as the Swastika but still get the hint.

    May I quote Ralf Rossa for the next bit I find quite apt
    Quote Originally Posted by Ralf Rossa
    Its their religion, they killed the real Messiah so they had to create their own, the holocaust, and they want everyone to worship their messiah, let them because the more they try and shove it down peoples throats, the more people are going to be sick of it, so sick of it that they actually take a deeper look and see it for the lying slander that it is.
    Who needs Neo-Nazis when you have such dedicated individuals such as Ms. Franken and Mr. Obermeyer
    In other words this is outright dismal. How utterly brainwashed and desensitized to reality the German, nay, the entire West is to this sham.
    oy veh...

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    History Lessons
    Nope. History is taught objectively. This is just an anti-German guilt trip.

    If the school visit goes well, she says, a child will say that he or she is going home to ask the parents and grandparents what happened in the war in their family. It makes Inge feel that she has set people thinking and asking.
    I think it is a good thing that people are looking into their family history to discover things. An untold number of people have to have been able to see through the subjectivity and become proud of their forefather's contributions.

    It was a wonderful experience for me, as a child, to learn about how my [non-German] great-grandfather fought in WWII.

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    These guilt trips are insane.

    I think only fools feel guilty for the actions done by others. And only people hostile to a folk want to make that they feel guilty about something done by other generations. And it's particularly sad that some people are hostile to their own folk.

    And the WW2 guilt trip is also getting old and silly. WW2 is over and done with. it should be dropped.

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    Well, my family also has a dark past. I have a grandfather and several uncles who fought against their Germanic brothers in WW2. People who they'd never met and who had no intention of doing them harm but who they were told were their “enemies” by lying, Zionist scum and their lackeys here in the UK. However, I respect them because they did what they thought was the right thing at the time and were, unfortunately, the victims of deception.

    Inge Franken's father no doubt felt that he was also doing the right thing and yet now she publicly denounces him in this despicable manner To think that this man went off to fight for his young daughter, believing (rightly or wrongly – this is not the issue) that he would make the world a better place for her one day … what an abject betrayal!!!

    I wonder what sort of person she would have grown up to be had her father survived and had NS triumphed over the tyranny of world Jewry? A different set of values would have prevailed and there would have been no place for such repentant exhibitionists, that's for sure

    Despite trying to portray herself as a “right-thinking” individual, full of shame for her family and country, I believe that divulging her own father's private wartime letters to his wife condemns her far more than it does him. Any nation producing such people cannot be a healthy one, regardless of how morally superior they may feel in relation to generations past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson
    Any nation producing such people cannot be a healthy one, regardless of how morally superior they may feel in relation to generations past.
    Indeed. I cant even see anything moral about this constant self-flagellation that sucks out the very life energy of Germans, and meanwhile all of white people around the world.

    This sort of bullying, against an individual, can and does occasionally lead to suicide, and this is exactly the intend with which this is driven to every extreme that sick minds can come up with, the suicide of an entire race.


    "We won this war with atrocity propaganda...and now we will start more than ever! We will continue this atrocity propaganda, we will increase it until nobody will accept one good word from the Germans anymore, until everything is destroyed which might have upheld them sympathies in other countries, and until they will be so confused that they don´t know what to do anymore. When this is reached, when they begin to pollute their own nest, and this not reluctantly but with hasty willingness to obey the winners, only then the victory is complete. It will never be definite. The reeducation demands thorough, steadfast nurture like English lawn. Only one moment of inattention and the weed will break through, this ineradicable weed of historic truth." - Sefton Delmer, former British chief propagandist after the capitulation in 1945 to the German expert on international law Prof. Grimm.




    Meanwhile, in Germany:
    http://www.unesco.de/uho_0311_tolerance_day.html

    DUK unterstützt "Tolerance Day" auf ProSieben
    Toleranz stärkt unsere Gesellschaft

    Die Deutsche UNESCO-Kommission unterstützt als Kooperationspartner den "Tolerance Day" am 8. April 2011 auf ProSieben. Der Fernsehsender nähert sich am Aktionstag dem Begriff "Toleranz" von mehreren Seiten: Der Film "Die Welle" von Dennis Gansel zeigt, wie schnell Gruppendynamik in Unterdrückung umschlagen kann. Die Dokumentation "Der große Toleranz-Test" und Beiträge in "Galileo" beleuchten, wo es in Deutschland an Toleranz fehlt und wo sie einem unerwartet begegnet.


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    My Father needed some coaxing to open up about the war, probably because its so shamefull and even illegal to actually tell the truth about what happened and your true feelings in Germany about Hitler.
    Eventually my Father admitted that in the Hitler Youth he had to collect firewood and go shopping for old ladies.
    He remembers Hitler as being that rarest of Polititions, one who has the interest of the people at heart.

    At the moment Ive just finished one book, "A terrible revenge", and have started another book "Acts of atrocieties commited against German minorities in Poland".
    These books make me feel physically sick, whereas Germans are made to feel monstrously guilty about executing partisans, as if Britain hanst done similar, I well remember the training films we where shown in the Royal Navy as late as the mid 1970s involving shooting unarmed civilians in order to quell riots in foriegn lands, hypocrities.
    These books document the things those on the allies side, Russians and Polish, where doing to German Women and Children, after the war had ended, and for no reason other than the fact they where German. Dragging naked young women behind vehicles untill their flesh was stipped off, tieing live and petrified Women between two lorries and then driving them apart to split the women in half, thats real horror, where are the Russians and Polish going around schools teaching young slavs how "evil" they are?

    And it wasnt just a few isolated cases, this was Russian and Polish and American government policy, it was encouraged!, not just a few sadists getting away with what they could because it was war.

    This makes me sick.

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