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    What is that supposed to mean? That these sub-races are inferior, or?
    Northern Atlantid have dark hair.
    Paleo Atlantid are darker and not that tall.

    Black Irish is an ambiguous term used mainly outside of Ireland. Over the course of history, it has been subject to several distinctive ascriptions, including religious affiliation and poverty. Modern traditionalists, however, maintain the term to be synonymous with a dark-haired phenotype exhibited by certain individuals originally descended from Ireland. Opinions vary in regard to what is perceived as the usual physical characteristics of the so-called Black Irish: e.g., dark hair, brown eyes and medium skin tone; or dark hair, blue or green eyes and fair skin tone. Unbeknown to some who have used this term at one time or another, dark hair in people of Irish descent is extremely common, although darker skin complexions appear less frequently.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Irish

    Brunn can be fatter, have upturned nose, curly hair and sometimes red hair.

    Stereotypically "Irish" features are known
    to have been exaggerated in caricature.
    http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-brunn.htm

    They were often called “white Negroes." Throughout Britain and the U.S., newspaper illustrations and hand drawings depicted a prehistoric "ape-like image" of Irish faces to bolster evolutionary racist claims that the Irish people were an "inferior race" as compared to Anglo-Saxons
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_racism

    Red hair was thought to be a mark of a beastly sexual desire and moral degeneration. A savage red-haired man is portrayed in the fable by Grimm brothers (Der Eisenhans) as the spirit of the forest of iron. Theophilus Presbyter describes how the blood of a red-haired young man is necessary to create gold from copper, in a mixture with the ashes of a basilisk.[52]

    Montague Summers, in his translation of the Malleus Maleficarum,[53] notes that red hair and green eyes were thought to be the sign of a witch, a werewolf or a vampire during the Middle Ages
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair#Medieval_beliefs

    Yes these things were inferior.

    Celtic speakers once lived in southern Europe, and therefore would have had a more tanned appearance
    I wasn't talking about Southern Europe.
    Celtic speakers of Germany were sometimes Alpine.
    Some Celtic speakers of Wales, Scotland and Ireland were Paleo Atlantid.
    These types are darker so not all Northern and Western Celt were fair and tall.


    Like I said, English grew out of North Sea Germanic dialects. "Germany" didn't exactly exist back then, but the North Sea Germanic peoples that migrated to Britain, such as the Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians, came from where we find modern day Germany, Denmark and Frisia.
    The modern English language is made up of French, Anglo Saxon/Old English, Old Norse, Latin, Greek and Middle English.


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    Most Irish people do not have red hair (by far) so I think that's a moot point. Most of those red heads could easily fit in anywhere in Northern Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celticviking View Post
    Northern Atlantid have dark hair.
    Paleo Atlantid are darker and not that tall.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Irish

    Brunn can be fatter, have upturned nose, curly hair and sometimes red hair.


    http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-brunn.htm


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_racism


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair#Medieval_beliefs

    Yes these things were inferior.
    Yes, I know of these sub-races. How exactly does that make them inferior? Are you suggesting they were discriminated against because they sometimes had red hair? I don't understand what you're proposing.

    I wasn't talking about Southern Europe.
    Celtic speakers of Germany were sometimes Alpine.
    Some Celtic speakers of Wales, Scotland and Ireland were Paleo Atlantid.
    These types are darker so not all Northern and Western Celt were fair and tall.
    I didn't say all, I said generally.

    The modern English language is made up of French, Anglo Saxon/Old English, Old Norse, Latin, Greek and Middle English.

    Thank you, but I am very familiar with the origins of the English language (for what it's worth, I am a linguistics student). You need to consider what effect those influences have had. That pie chart only represents the vocabulary based on a dictionary, and not grammar. It also includes a lot of obscure technical words that are not used in everyday English.

    You cannot simply say French makes up X% of the language, because its presence in the language is mostly limited to the vocabulary (and often these French words have Germanic synonyms, and therefore supplement English rather than replace it). 80+% of the "core" words in English, plus the grammar, are Germanic.

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    I am around Celts daily and tbh they are really not that different to us though it is noticeable to the eye of a foreigner like me and alot of the time they can sniff an Englishman out at a hundred paces! I notice certain traits that I'm probably not qualified to comment on.

    Some are more of the Iberian stock and someare darker (almost black haired) shorter, stockier types most probably being of the original inhabitants. The women of this type tend to be quite lumpy, ugly and fat.

    Tanning is not as common as some may think, though when it does happen the just look like non-moorish Spaniards. Some are exactly the same as us even if they can trace their lineages way back and have no discernible Germanic input.

    Their mindsets and how they got them are different though but that is worthy of another thread...

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    I think Mike Philips is a good example of a Celtic phenotype which is less common amongst Germanics:


    Rod Kearney is another:

    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Quote Originally Posted by celticviking View Post
    Because the Irish were mainly Brunn and Paleo Atlantid.
    The racial composition of the Irish according to the anthropologist Richard McCulloch:

    Ireland = 40% Brünn (indigenous Paleolithic inhabitants, most common in the west), 30% Keltic Nordic (most common in the east), 9% North-Atlantid, 9% Borreby, 3% Palaeo-Atlantid, 3% Trønder, 2% Noric, 2% Anglo-Saxon, 1% Hallstatt Nordic.
    The notion that certain phenotypes native to Europe are inferior or superior to one another is ridiculous. Some may possess desirable aesthetic traits whilst others do not, although there is no evidence to suggest that there is a correlation between intelligence and racial sub-type. During the 19th century it was widely believed that the Irish were racially inferior to the Anglo-Saxons, but then again most continental Europeans were held in similar regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimminger View Post
    I think Mike Philips is a good example of a Celtic phenotype which is less common amongst Germanics:
    He looks as though a member of Michael Ballack's and a member of Wayne Rooney's family had kids together.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    The premise of the comparison from the original post is problematic....

    Compare Americans and Scandinavians: Physical Differences

    Would make similar sense & lead to similar quality discourse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herefugol View Post
    Yes, I know of these sub-races. How exactly does that make them inferior? Are you suggesting they were discriminated against because they sometimes had red hair? I don't understand what you're proposing.
    It is just like modern times, many people don't like fat or infantile faces, upturned nose, red hair, dark hair, curly hair or dark eye colour.

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    Red hair today is generally associated with the Scots and Irish, but there have been no consistent efforts to establish the prevalence of the condition.

    “It has actually become harder to find the prevalence of red hair today,” said Rees. “More and more women — and some men — now dye their hair and we simply have no idea if a redhead is a real one or if a blonde is a redhead under the dye. As a result the incidence of red hair in Britain is still a bit of a mystery.”

    Enter the scientists of the People of the British Isles project: thanks to their efforts, this most distinctive characteristic is now opening up its mysteries for the first time. Testing their white cell samples for two of the half-dozen red-hair versions of the MC1R gene, they were able to show their frequency in each area of the British Isles. The results were intriguing.

    Where one is the maximum value, they got figures of 0.16 and 0.23 for the frequencies of red-hair genes in Cornwall and Devon. The frequency in Oxfordshire was 0.07; in Sussex and Kent 0.13; in northeast England 0.11; in Lincolnshire 0.07; and in Cumbria nil. In Wales the figure was 0.21, and in Orkney a high 0.26. But the highest was in Ireland. Using data from other research studies, the team got a figure for Ireland of 0.31, confirmation of the stereotypical image of the red-haired Irishman.

    The results are remarkable, as Sir Walter Bodmer, the Oxford geneticist leading the project, acknowledges: “I was amazed at them. I didn’t expect to see something like this.”

    The research gives us, for the first time, an insight into the startling numbers of native people who have been described as having red hair in ancient times.

    Here is why red hair is so common in Ireland:


    But why do we have such numbers in these parts of the British Isles today and not others? The answer, says Bodmer, is that red-hair genes were common among the first Britons and that populations in the archipelago’s fringes still carry their bloodline.

    “Genes for red hair first appeared in human beings about 40,000 to 50,000 years ago,” agrees Rees.

    These genes were then carried into the islands by the original settlers, men and women who “would have been relatively tall, with little body fat, athletic, fair-skinned and who would have had red hair”, says David Miles, of English Heritage. Redheads therefore represent the land’s most ancient lineages. So if you want an image of how those first people appeared, don’t think of a hairy savage with a mane of thick black hair. Contemplate instead a picture of a slim, ginger-haired individual: Prince Harry, perhaps, or the actress Nicole Kidman who has Scottish and Irish descent.

    Why did those early Britons have so many redheads in their midst in the first place? Is there an evolutionary advantage to having red hair in this part of the world? According to Rees, the answer may be yes.

    The MC1R variants that cause red hair also have an effect on the skin. As a result, redheads do not make enough of the dark pigment melanin to protect them against the sun’s powerful ultraviolet rays. Their skin rarely tans. It just burns or freckles.

    In Africa, where modern humans first evolved 150,000 years ago, this would have been fatal. In northern Europe, however, melanin-free skin could have provided an advantage because we make vitamin D in our skin when sunlight shines on it.

    Dark-skinned people were protected against the African sun, but their ability to make vitamin D would have been badly affected in relatively gloomy northern Europe. This could have caused rickets, resulting in weak bones and curved legs — bad news for a hunter-gatherer. Rickets is particularly damaging for women, as it increases pelvic deformations, raising the risk of death in childbirth. So, the theory goes, we evolved white, melanin-free skin that has no dark pigment to block sunlight and cause rickets. Red hair was a side effect.

    So there it is: being a redhead could mean you possess an evolutionary advantage over non-red-haired people
    http://irishtribesman.blogspot.co.nz...n-ireland.html

    A key example is provided by the People of the British Isles study, led by Sir Walter Bodmer, which has found rich concentrations of genes of the British Isles' first hunter-gatherer settlers in men and women now living in Cornwall, Devon, Scotland and Ireland. One version of the gene MCR1 often confers red hair on its owners and explains those ancient Roman and Greek reports of widespread ginger locks among early Britons. Red hair was common until invasions by non-redheads - like the Anglo-Saxons - pushed these settlers to Britain's outer edges. Hence the red-haired Scots and Irish we see today.

    Bodmer has found signs of Anglo-Saxon genes in east England, the remnants of the invaders who established English as the language of the British Isles, while Wilson's research has discovered evidence that Vikings, who colonised Orkney, did so by eradicating nearly ever male member of its Pictish population. This latter discovery was made by analysing the Y-chromosome. Orkney men today tend to have Y-chromosomes like those of modern Scandinavians, the Vikings' direct descendants.
    http://irishtribesman.blogspot.co.nz...itain-and.html

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