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    Once again, to sum up feelings on this thread: I don't really view the Slavic peoples as my siblings, they're a bit too "distant" for that. From my Swedish perspective, the other Scandinavians (and probably the rest of the North Germanic countries) would be in the "our siblings" category. The Slavs would be cousins, perhaps. Certainly not total alien strangers, like Arabs or blacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by heimweard View Post
    Truth is, my ancestors were a bit farther away from the border with Poland, so they suffered less. I don't despise people because of what they're ancestors did.
    It was mostly Stalin and Churchill who decided the present-day borders of Poland, as another member has pointed out here. The Poles had no real choice in the matter; it was either moving over to Germany's eastern areas or have nothing in return. (On a related note, I think all Skadi threads would benefit greatly if people read the entire thing before posting in them... )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest_Dweller View Post
    I don't really have much of a problem with Slavs personally, I do not think they are inferior but they have a different culture and are somewhat ethnically distinct from Germanics, mostly.

    I'm not Slavic but what about Nikola Tesla one of the greatest electrical engineers?

    I feel a sense of brotherhood with all Europeans, but I'm Germanocentric shall we say.
    I think this summarizes my view pretty much. I don't want the different Europeans to despise each other. And ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilderinc View Post
    the "enemy" is in every one of Europe's nations, in nearly every one of Europe's cities. ...To solve our problems [we must start at the very root of it, and that is in the cities, in the neighborhoods, in the minds of the citizen. The Poles are responsible for their "Muslim problems" and the Germans are responsible for their own (and so on.) Helping others rid their problems will not solve ours.
    ... while they can cooperate, they do need to solve their respective immigration problems separately. Indeed each people is best suited to tackle it independently. For one thing, they have motive. A German will gladly save Munich but may wonder why he should save Nice. Trying to get the European countries to be schlepped together is a trick to neutralize them individually.

    Quote Originally Posted by OnePercent View Post
    As an American I have never really understood the animosity that seems to exist between Germanics and Slavics over in Europe. ...
    I actually think that some Slavic groups deserve great praise for defending the rest of Europe from Muslim and Asian invaders in history, ...
    I think the animosity has roots in Jewish money lending and egging on the different countries for war. I think that by being organized internationally, Jews have long been positioned to manipulate individual countries. For example, they like to lend money to both sides in a conflict, and make lots of interest from that, plus buy up the ruins after the war. But I need to learn more about that. It's my impression so far that they do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heimweard View Post
    I don't despise people because of what they're ancestors did.
    Sure, but you should despise the Poles of today for not giving back what their ancestors stole. Not returning stolen property is also a crime, in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by heimweard View Post
    What I'm saying is that not all Poles are bad people, some are actually preety nice, though there are some I'd like to teach a lesson to...
    Let's not make this into a question of individuals. It is the Polish People which is the issue here, and as a collective, they have a long way to go to redeem themselves, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Sure, but you should despise the Poles of today for not giving back what their ancestors stole. Not returning stolen property is also a crime, in my book.

    Let's not make this into a question of individuals. It is the Polish People which is the issue here, and as a collective, they have a long way to go to redeem themselves, in my opinion.
    If I remember well, large parts of the Eastern part of Germany were Slavic at one point or another. Even Berlin was originally settled by Lehitic tribes. Prussia was part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth at one point, so it's more like taking it back. In my opinion, just an opinion, it doesn't matter if the Poles have these lands if the minorities are treated well and kept alive. As long as Poles are European, it doesn't make a difference to me economically or historically. We have our own borders to defend, nevermind expand.

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    I have nothing against Slavs. We do have a difficult history of wars, but then so do Germany and England... Let us not forget it was a Polish king who saved Vienna from the Turks. Hitler made the mistake of not seeking the allegiance of the real, non-communist Slavs in the war against the Soviet-Union. His anti-Slav attitude lost him the war... Let us not repeat that mistake! And Eastern Europe is far more jew-wise than western Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonarVanHolland View Post
    I have nothing against Slavs. We do have a difficult history of wars, but then so do Germany and England... Let us not forget it was a Polish king who saved Vienna from the Turks. Hitler made the mistake of not seeking the allegiance of the real, non-communist Slavs in the war against the Soviet-Union. His anti-Slav attitude lost him the war... Let us not repeat that mistake! And Eastern Europe is far more jew-wise than western Europe.
    Make peace with Slavs? Bloody best idea yet! Unlike westerners, Slavs thend to know blood and honour. They know who their friends are, and who their enemies are better than us. The reason? They don't have the Jewy "Diversity is Strength" as their motto imposed ever since little. They are tought to love their country eversince little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heimweard View Post
    If I remember well, large parts of the Eastern part of Germany were Slavic at one point or another. Even Berlin was originally settled by Lehitic tribes. Prussia was part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth at one point, so it's more like taking it back.



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    The areas occupied by these two groups changed/shifted greatly over time, meaning it would be absurd to claim that every square inch that was at one time or another inhabited by Germanics or Slavs indisputably "belongs" to one or the other, but saying that Slavs 'took back what was originally theirs' is silly.


    Quote Originally Posted by DonarVanHolland View Post
    Hitler made the mistake of not seeking the allegiance of the real, non-communist Slavs in the war against the Soviet-Union.
    From my understanding, the Germans certainly did accept Slavic help against the USSR. The Ukrainian Volunteers being a good example.
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    Ah, but diversity IS our strength....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilderinc View Post
    The areas occupied by these two groups changed/shifted greatly over time, meaning it would be absurd to claim that every square inch that was at one time or another inhabited by Germanics or Slavs indisputably "belongs" to one or the other, but saying that Slavs 'took back what was originally theirs' is silly.
    I know it's a silly statement, but I don't have the patience today of giving good answers(I just had a long discussion with my Geograpgy teacher in which he stated that nationalists cared more about the financial power of their people than cultural preservation) . Sorry if it sounded absurd.

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    Ah, but diversity IS our strength....

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    I agree with Hilderinc that it's pointless to claim "this is old German land" or "this is old Slavic land", since those two groups have moved around all over the continent.

    Quote Originally Posted by heimweard View Post
    If I remember well, large parts of the Eastern part of Germany were Slavic at one point or another.
    Indeed. The thing is, the different European sub-groups have wandered around all over the place - for example, Goths used to live in the Crimea. As you said, Slavs have existed in eastern Germany, although most of them were assimilated. It was common for Slavs living in German lands to change their names to German ones ("Weber," " Bauer," and so on), just as it was common for many Volga Germans to change their names to Slavic names. Intermarriage was not uncommon.
    You only need to open the white pages in Berlin, or in the once Slavic-populated Rhine basin, or in Vienna, to realize that one in every five German names ends with a Slavic syllable, such as "ski" or "tsch".

    All of this is irrelevant to the Germany vs. Poland border conflict. Case in point: the Sorbs, being an unique remnant of the Slavic peoples in Germany who have stuck to their own ethno-cultural identity, are a Slavic minority who self-identify as German, not as Polish. (For this reason, Hitler and the NSDAP left them alone.) So it's clearly not the ethnic differences between Germans and Poles that are the reason for this conflict, but rather culture and history.

    Even Berlin was originally settled by Lehitic tribes. Prussia was part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth at one point, so it's more like taking it back.
    Prussia was originally the homeland of the Old Prussians, who were a Baltic tribe. They're all dead today. So it's rather pointless to make appeals to tradition and talking about either Germans or Poles "taking it back".

    As long as Poles are European, it doesn't make a difference to me economically or historically. We have our own borders to defend, nevermind expand.
    Well, "European" is a rather meaninglessly wide group, as I have stated before. Racially, it does not make sense. For example, I do not have much in common with the average Portuguese. (Socio-politically, the "imperium Europa" idea works, but not ethnically). As for the Germanic Prussians and the Poles, their ethnic differences are sometimes tiny, other times large. But the main divider between the two is their cultural baggage and history of conflict, akin to the Ulster Scots and the Irish.

    Personally, I'd solve this problem by giving back both Germany and Poland their former lands - West Prussia and Pomerania to Germany, and Lwow to Poland. Basically, moving the borders eastward where they belong. (To be sure, Ukraine will lose a lot, but they can go back to being a part of Russia anyway. )

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