Except for the Angles, everyone else still has a homeland in old Germania.
Except for the Angles, everyone else still has a homeland in old Germania.
I wasn't aware that Angeln sank into the Baltic sea.Originally Posted by Baorn
By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes.
Open, locks,
Whoever knocks.
Interesting how you inadvertently draw a comparison to what's been happening in Friesland.
There's no comparable social identity in Angeln distinct from Jutland and Saxony, unlike for Friesland. Basically, the Danevirke partitions what used to be the homeland of the Angles, which happened later when Watling Street divided England between Denmark and Wessex. Hedeby would have been the capital of the Angles, but since the whole of the Angles left (according to Bede) it's been relegated to a trader outpost between Jutland and Saxony, replaced since by Schleswig, between Denmark and Germany. I'm not the one who first stated that the Angles entirely removed to Britain; I merely agree with the father of English history, who is responsible for what we know of the tribal origins of England.
Hardly. It would be very stupid to just pack up all of your people and try to cross the sea. One bad storm and you get extinct.
By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes.
Open, locks,
Whoever knocks.
All of the sources agree that this was a lengthy process, but it's definitely obvious that not all the Saxons left and it's not entirely clear what happened to the Jutes, but assimilation is likely, whereas the Frisians have lived on the edge forever. Pray tell, what body politic representing the Angles remained in Schleswig bearing the name and function purporting to be nationhood of the Angles? Namely, was/is there anything of substance, like in England? Don't you know, that I wish there were? If there were, maybe your German compatriots would be less Anglophobic. Maybe you think you have a source disagreeing with the Venerable Bede.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanit...xons-and-jutes
According to book 2 of Bede's Ecclesiastical History, migration across the channel had depopulated Angeln, a claim that has found some archaeological support. Archaeological evidence indicates that by the sixth century, the large Continental cremation cemeteries were no longer in use, and settlement activity disappeared between the fifth and eighth centuries. A few sixth- and seventh-century hoards, stray finds, and burials, however, argue against Bede's claim of total abandonment. Significant language replacement indicates repopulation in Angeln after the eighth century.
Furthermore, how do you think the Danevirke could be built in the middle of a country of all the same people, rather than between peoples? Why would the wall between Saxon and Jute cut right through the Angles' capital, if the Angles were still their own entity in the area? Maybe the last remnants lived in Angeln, but they were hardly sovereign in any sense, not even to any degree experienced by the Frisians. Care to offer evidence backing up your position? You know, the Danish Mark was established in the heather wastelands south of Jutland and north of Skaaneland, opposite the Geats. These were natural boundaries. Had folks still been living there, it would be hard to maintain different sets of populations.
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