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    Two Thirds of Teenagers Don't Believe in God

    Teenagers even say family, friends, money, music and even reality television are more important than religion.

    It also emerged six out of ten 10 children (59 per cent) believe that religion "has a negative influence on the world".

    The survey also shows that half of teenagers have never prayed and 16 per cent have never been to church.

    The study of 1,000 teenagers aged 13 to 18 was carried out by Penguin to mark this week's publication of controversial novel 'Killing God' by Kevin Brooks.

    The book is about a 15-year-old girl who questions the existence of God.

    Kevin Brooks, the author, said: "I can't say I am surprised by the teenagers' responses.

    "Part of the reason that I wrote Killing God was that I wanted to explore the personal attitudes of young people today, especially those with troubled lives, towards organised religion and the traditional concept of God.

    "How can the moralities of an ancient religion relate to the tragedies and disorders of today's broken world? And why do some people turn to God for help while others take comfort in drugs and alcohol?

    "These are just some of the questions I wanted to consider... And I wasn't looking for answers."

    The research also found 55 per cent of young people are not bothered about religion and 60 per cent only go to church for a wedding or christening.

    Only three out of 10 teenagers believe in an afterlife and 41 per cent believe that nothing happens to your body when you die, but one in 10 reckon they come back as an animal or another human being.

    A Church of England spokesman said: "Many teenagers aren't sure what they believe at that stage of their lives, as is clear from the number who said they don't know whether they believe in God.

    "On the other hand many of these results point to the great spirituality of young people today that the Church is seeking to respond to through new forms of worship alongside tradition ones."

    Hanne Stinson, chief executive of The British Humanist Association, said: "It confirms that young people - like adults - do not need a religion to have positive values.

    "The 'golden rule', which is often claimed by religions as a religious value, is in reality a shared human value - shared by all the major religions and the non-religious and almost every culture - that predates all the major world religions."
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ve-in-God.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinson
    "The 'golden rule', which is often claimed by religions as a religious value, is in reality a shared human value - shared by all the major religions and the non-religious and almost every culture - that predates all the major world religions."
    That's rich. "Golden rule"? What's that? "Moderation"? "Do not unto others..."? Stinson is a reductionist; religion is about more than a set of rules to live your life by. The notion that there's an independent eternal system of values that is part of the human condition, remaining stabile, everywhere, in all ages - as she seems to suggest, is pretty religious, and a total denial of history (in favor of the future, of multiculturalism, with its various convictions and creeds of faith?). And mankind is not fundamentally good, please someone tell Stinson.

    So religion, or at least what she considers the bright side of religion, was really masked humanism all along? Kumbaya My Lord!
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    Religion’s Days Are Numbered

    Today more evidence has been released that once again shows that religion (particularly the Abrahamic religions) is losing ground and will be a thing of the past. The days of Churches on every street corner are numbered.

    New research shows that roughly 30 to 40 percent of young people no longer attend church. That number used to be around 5 to 10 percent. According to Harvard University professor Robert Putnam, this trend started in the 1990s and continues today. Putnam does point out that this doesn’t necessarily mean that these young people are atheists, just that they no longer attend church. He speculated that the Religious Right has tainted most young people’s view of organized religion and that many now see organized religion as a “source of intolerance and rigidity and doctrinaire political views."

    The fact is that if religion loses the youth of America, it will eventually be phased out. Within the last few years more and more atheist groups have started to organize and become outspoken. More authors like Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, and Dennett have been speaking out about religion and more people have been coming out as non-believers. Just a few weeks ago, the popular Daily Show host Jon Stewart revealed that he doesn’t believe in God. His show attracts a large number of young people and most of them look up to him. Bill Maher has also recently joined the fight against religion after sitting on the sidelines for years.

    While Putnam’s poll shows only 30 to 40 percent of young people have stopped going to church, he also has pointed out that this trend is continuing. I predict that within the next decade of so, that number will double. As rational thought and secular values start to compete with religious indoctrination, we will see more and more people young and old start to reject the ancient superstitions of the past in favor of the science and reason of the future.
    http://www.examiner.com/x-8928-Phila...s-are-numbered

    Agree or disagree? Why?

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    Official religion organizations are not the same as religion. To be religious you have to make religious exercises in order to see what is hidden. religious exercise mean the transformation of oneself in an in organ of perception of a world different than that what we BELIEVE is reality. If you don't make those exercises or don't use the religion you proclaim to have for transforming you you are just pretender.

    It is if you can see the moon and tell it to somebody and he tells you it doesn't exist. You tell him just look and he says he doesn't need to look he knows it doesn't exist.

    The number of people who BELIEVE God/or GODS don't exist might rise. But are those numbers any kind of proof? If million people believe the moon doesn't exist but you can see it, who do you believe?

    The transformation of oneself is the essence of any religious instruction. If you can see and you read religious instructions they basically all say the same in a different way. They use different pictures. and that from cultures as far apart as the Maya culture (their holy book is called Popul -Voh) to Islam. If there is apparently no outward connection there is obviously for the one who knows something behing the screen which is the same.

    The transformation of oneself is not an easy task and takes a long time, most people don't even start, from the few who start, only very very few succeed.

    so who cares for the many?

    A men saw a pearl of great prize. He went and sold everthing to gain that pearl.

    A religious student is going to lose everthing, his illusions, his convictions, his friends, his believe who he is. That is scary for most people and they get stuck somewhere.

    Jesus gave a picture of Camel going through a needleoer would be easier than a rich guy getting salvation. The needleoer was a very small gate in the walls of Jerusalem. (Eretz Shalom means the state of peace). the Camels who had to go through that gate had to be unloaded by all their burdens.

    A men has to give up all his burdens to reach the (internal) state of peace.

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    Well these are just American figures? Here it has decreased, but not extremely. I have only seen a single Temple here coverted into something else, while actually seeing several new types of Churches built. If anything, I would say Protestantism is spreading here with Catholic numbers are dropping.

    And since cultural things such as Christmas, our school system, marriage, et cetera all use Churches, they will not be going anywhere. I am not sure how Americans do any of this (from my understand, it is less associated with school?).

    And if you look at other places, there are Mosques simply replacing the Churches, so 'religion' is going no where.

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    Orthodoxy is also gaining ground in the east as people return after the fall of communism and in the west as people seek the ancient Christian faith, abandoning both Protestantism and Catholicism. The Metropolitans of the Autocephalous Churches have met recently to create synods in the west. there is also an autocephalous Church in the americas, the OCA, as well as the British Orthodox Church in England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kogen View Post
    And since cultural things such as Christmas, our school system, marriage, et cetera all use Churches, they will not be going anywhere. I am not sure how Americans do any of this (from my understand, it is less associated with school?).
    That is true, most people here go to public schools, which are strictly religion-free zones. The Catholic church maintains a large school system as well, along with a handful of smaller church schools and some generic 'Christian schools', all of which are private schools, meaning they get no government funding although they can make use of some state resources such as school buses. Some older private schools are ostensibly associated with the Anglican/Episcopalian church but are essentially secular in nature.

    Marriages here are licensed by the state but can be performed either by a designated state official or by a clergy from any religion, the majority of people get married by clergy. This is where it ends, the rest is all state-run, for example if you get married by a Catholic priest, and then want a divorce, you get one through the state even if the Catholic church doesn't want to grant one.


    Also many people participate in organized religion for the above reasons even if they are secular in nature. For example, a popular regional radio host here has essentially said he is an atheist and doesn't believe in God, yet he sends his children to Catholic schools, even remarking that he likes the fact that a portrait of the founder of Opus Dei (hardline conservative Catholic organization) is prominently displayed by the school, and strongly objects to attempts to remove Christian symbols such as Christmas trees and term 'Merry Christmas' from public society. For many people organized religion serves cultural and social purposes, even if those people are effectively secular/nonbelievers in nature.
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    'Religion to Become Extinct'

    Religion to become extinct, says model of census data

    By Jason Palmer
    Science and technology reporter, BBC News, Dallas

    A study using census data from nine countries shows that religion there is set for extinction, say researchers.

    The data reflect a steady rise in those claiming no religious affiliation.


    In the UK, Wales has the highest proportion of religiously "non-affiliated"

    The team's mathematical model attempts to account for the interplay between the number of religious respondents and the social motives behind being one.

    The result, reported at the American Physical Society meeting in Dallas, US, indicates that religion will all but die out altogether in those countries.

    Nonlinear dynamics is invoked to explain a wide range of physical phenomena in which a number of factors play a part.

    One of the team, Daniel Abrams of Northwestern University, put forth a similar model in 2003 to put a numerical basis behind the decline of lesser-spoken world languages.

    At its heart is the competition between speakers of different languages, and the "utility" of speaking one instead of another.

    "The idea is pretty simple," said Richard Wiener of the Research Corporation for Science Advancement.

    "It posits that social groups that have more members are going to be more attractive to join, and it posits that social groups have a social status or utility," he told BBC News.

    "For example in languages, there can be greater utility or status in speaking Spanish instead of [the dying language] Quechuan in Peru, and similarly there's some kind of status or utility in being a member of a religion or not."

    The team took census data stretching back as far as a century from countries in which the census queried religious affiliation: Australia, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland.

    "In a large number of modern secular democracies, there's been a trend that folk are identifying themselves as non-affiliated with religion; in the Netherlands the number was 40%, and the highest we saw was in the Czech Republic, where the number was 60%," Dr Wiener said.

    The team then applied their nonlinear dynamics model, adjusting parameters for the relative social and utilitarian merits of membership of the "non-religious" category.

    They found, in a study published online, that those parameters were similar across all the countries studied, suggesting that similar behaviour drives the mathematics in all of them.

    And in all the countries, the indications were that religion was headed toward extinction.

    "I think it's a suggestive result," Dr Wiener said.

    "It's interesting that a fairly simple model captures the data, and if those simple ideas are correct, it suggests where this might be going.

    "Obviously much more complicated things are going on with any one individual, but maybe a lot of that averages out."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12811197

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    They are of course speaking of native Christians. They make no mention of the growing number of Muslim immigrants (and Mestizo Catholics in the US.)

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