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    Midwest and no i've been to New England they are not that Nordic over there i would say after the Midwest the PNW

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    The UP of Michigan is strongly Nordish with many ancestors from Finnland, including my ex-wife's family. All blue-eyed blondes from the Lapland area.
    American by birth, made of parts from Emmingen, Baden-Württemberg.

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    The Midwest and around the Wisconsin area, from what I’ve seen.

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    Nordish? If you are in America, you are happy to see a white person- wait a moment it's becoming like that in Europe too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    What Nordish means?
    Nordish is a term that an American racialist named Richard McCulloch came up with for the Northern European racial types, including Nordic, Brünn, Borreby, etc.

    It is not a very useful concept scientifically because Nordics are closer to Mediterraneans than to Borreby in morphology, but McCulloch wanted to have a word for "northern looking" people without only referring to the Nordic type proper. Therefore he coined "Nordish".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gegenschlag View Post
    Nordish is a term that an American racialist named Richard McCulloch came up with for the Northern European racial types, including Nordic, Brünn, Borreby, etc.

    It is not a very useful concept scientifically because Nordics are closer to Mediterraneans than to Borreby in morphology, but McCulloch wanted to have a word for "northern looking" people without only referring to the Nordic type proper. Therefore he coined "Nordish".
    If you want to hold to science, genetics proves that there's only three groups in Europe: haplogroups N, R and I. There's no real Alpine population unless R, in which case, Nordic is I1 and Mediterranean is I2, Baltic is N. Most would then be Alpine.

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    From traveling, I would say Nebraska, Dakotas, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan and Western parts of Ohio. In the Midwest, some elders still speak Norwegian and do the quilting and lace crafts. Many also have relatives living in Scandinavia. Some upper Midwest States have a Somalian problem just like Sweden: "We welcome them open arms!" Sadly, they are changing populations slowly with many Mexicans and refugees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    If you want to hold to science, genetics proves that there's only three groups in Europe: haplogroups N, R and I. There's no real Alpine population unless R, in which case, Nordic is I1 and Mediterranean is I2, Baltic is N. Most would then be Alpine.
    I'll clarify what my point is: if Nordic is I1 and thus a twin of Mediterranean I2, then neither is Indo-Germanic but Alpine is, if indeed Alpine is a real division. If I1 and I2 are both Mediterranean, R1 is both Nordic and Indo-Germanic. The nearest to either Urheimat or Lebensraum of I haplogroup is Anatolia opposite of the Balkans, which has nothing to do with Indo-Germanics of R. Since there's merely a spectrum on haplogroup I, whether I1 or I2, it's better to group them as two parts of one Mediterranean European people. This is comparable to Germanic R1 and Indic R2, which would be Nordic, defined as it is concentrated on our side of the Pyrenees, Alps, Caucasus, etc. R and I just intersect, yet it's not like R can objectively be yoked to I destiny, since I have J Semites as nearest relatives and R have Q Amerindians as ours.

    I find it a real travesty that most of us throughout both Old and New worlds are indeed haplogroup R, but are expected to grovel at the feet of cultural trappings associated with haplogroup I. Being smothered by others' en masse inferiority complex is truly disheartening. Look at the myth of Prester John leading all those Italian navigators to seek out the Indies for a great Christian king in order to reopen trade for the Venetians and Genoans, afterwards inspire Joseph Smith's mythos of Amerindians as somehow the remnants of the lost ten tribes of Israel. Deep down, you can strip away the Judæo-Christian gloss and find the biological heritage of both East and West Indies having more relevance than some fantasy concoctions to do with Semites.

    Anybody who claims to be opposed to Semites and would rather be associated with them through common culture is a hypocrite. 'Well, at least they're not dirty Heathens like the Amerindians...' Yeah, such a total conviction geared to dismissal of Semitic trappings. There's nowt but tosh to be a 'Mediterranean Nordic'. 'I'm a Christian Aryan', lol. If Neolithic DNA is considered a legacy inheritance and the MENA world is included in the category of 'Caucasoid', why should this Semitophile definition exclude Amerindians as extensions of Nords without any controversy? Why have a supposedly binary 'civilization' catering only to one faction? 'In Christ there is no Jew or Greek' is disingenuous, since all biases bank on Judaism for everyone. If Hinduism is supposed to be an ethnic religion and that's 'bad', why should all Aryans copy (bastardise) the ethnic religion of Judaism and be left with nothing original?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winterland View Post
    From traveling, I would say Nebraska, Dakotas, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan and Western parts of Ohio. In the Midwest, some elders still speak Norwegian and do the quilting and lace crafts. Many also have relatives living in Scandinavia. Some upper Midwest States have a Somalian problem just like Sweden: "We welcome them open arms!" Sadly, they are changing populations slowly with many Mexicans and refugees.
    If one wants to demarcate what's linearly foreign from the Anglo population in Latin America, the source of difference isn't rightly Amerindian DNA, but Neolithic Middle Eastern DNA, between more Nordic or more Mediterranean populations. Oklahoman Anglo-Indians are still Anglos and Illegals are still Illegals. Amerindian-admixed Anglos are still less Mediterranean than those of Latin America. This is getting back to Bronze Age fundamentals and those DNA alignments before it's seemingly forever admixed against common sense. So, yes, the Indians who went across Beringia were as relevant to Nords as Semites in Israel were to Meds. If anything, Latinos were the ones to de-Nordicise the Americas, but this is exaggerating, since the dominant haplogroup subclade in Latin America is R1B. There are just that many more cases of I, J, G and E in the Mediterranean and Latin America, than in Nordic and Anglo lands.

    It's possible to make a stand against crisscrossing definitions and groups as to their extended relations. It's not altogether hard to dismiss Finns as some Chinese colony or vice versa, being some squinty-eyed East Eurasians, who overlap with Indo-Germanics and Amerindians, yet still closer than the purported single Caucasoid race illogically inclusive of both Xanthochroi and Melanochroi. Jesus isn't genetics, nor are genetics Jesus. Yes, this thread is about phenotype rather than genotype, but the truth is there's a considerable connection between them, in which Jesus isn't Nordic, but worshiped by Nordics. Once upon a time, those Mediterranean Latinos imposed their Jesus onto our ancestors. Let it be such that this becomes true again for our own time, only in the sense that the pretence is dropped and the Melanochroi reclaim their export selfishly. A Med religion for Meds and a Nord one for Nords. Why mix everything up, or doesn't anyone believe in purification? If we can deport both Meds and their culture, that would be real freedom.

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