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Thread: Celto-Germans Vs. Balto-Slavs

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    Celto-Germans Vs. Balto-Slavs

    Here are the first two dimensions of a multidimensional scaling plot of the following samples:

    * Dodecad Ancestry Project: 6 Poles, 12 Russians (Russian_D), 11 Germans, 19 Scandinavians, 6 Mixed Slavs (various West and East Slav combinations), 17 Britons, 17 Irish
    * HGDP: 25 Russians from Vologda
    * Behar et al. (2010): 10 Lithuanians, 9 Belorussians


    It's fascinating that Cluster #1 (which corresponds to the assortment of individuals on the left of the MDS plot) includes only Balto-Slavic individuals (65 in total), while Cluster #2 (on the right, includes all 64 Celto-Germanic individuals plus 2 Poles and a mixed Slav.

    This surprising concordance is even more striking once we consider that one of the "mixed Slavs" in my sample may be of Prussian origin within present-day Poland. I will be happy to tell the Poles in my sample which cluster they belong to if they write to me at the Dodecad Project e-mail address.

    A lot has transpired since the ancient ethnographers divided the little-known peoples of the far north into Keltoi and Skythai, or since the Franco-Russian anthropologist Deniker divided the light-pigmented Northern Europeans into a race nordique and a race orientale. So, it is a bit surprising to see that a basic division of northern Europeans into East and West has stood the test of time.

    Minus the Finnic peoples of northeastern Europe who, as has become clear, owe their genetic distinctiveness to a Siberian element in their ancestry, tying them to their linguistic cousins in the east.

    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/

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    You can also see that split in Eurogenes' analysis. The Germans tightly cluster with the English and Scandinavians while the Balto-Slavics are off on their own.


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    Who do you mean by Balto-Slavs? The Lithuanians?

    I consider Latvians and Estonians who are baltic as germanic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offa of Angel View Post
    Who do you mean by Balto-Slavs? The Lithuanians?

    I consider Latvians and Estonians who are baltic as germanic.
    It says in the first post:

    * Behar et al. (2010): 10 Lithuanians, 9 Belorussians
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    Estonian are Germanic right? They are descended from vkings....

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    The East and West overlap on an incidental basis. Always thinking of Swedes in Finland and Estonia and apparently Poland, Danes in Estonia...I seem to forget that the Saxons as well as the French ruled Poland, in addition to Teutons in general over Prussia, Luxemburgers in Bohemia and Austrians in Hungary. All of the relations between Centum and Satem Indo-Europeans were fleeting and inconstant, even if the relations were more sustained with Uralics. Why that is, I would not hazard a guess out of ignorance.

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