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    Germany Wins First World War-Effects?

    Suppose Germany and the Central Powers had won the First World War. Would the world have been a better place? What would be the effects? This, in effect, is what Niall Ferguson has argued in his books, that with a German victory, Europe would have been united earlier and there would have been no Communist or Nazism in power.

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    That is true, there would have been no opportunity, perhaps because of lack of necessity, for National Socialism. However, I don't see how this would directly prevent Russia from having a Communist revolution.

    There would have been no WW2, and in consequence no shift in ideology toward liberalism and multiculturalism. A 100 million lives would be saved. USA would still have racial segregation and we would not be plagued by political correctness, nor would Europe. Germany would have certain lands in Poland and other surrounding countries, and be even more influential than it is today. Great Britain would still have its empire around the world, having Winston Churchill never been given the chance to sacrifice it for a misdirected war against the Germans. Nationalism would be the norm, and German might be a standard secondary language that the English-speaking world learns. There would not be any need for example, me to learn Spanish, because there would not be national borders so loosely enforced and special benefits given to other peoples over people in their own countries.

    It seems by the ultra nationalists (National Socialists) losing, it created an ideology vacuum as well as a forced effort that aided Marxist thought to gain in influence despite the USSR crumbling. As in, there would be no cultural Marxism. Actually, the USSR crumbling probably aided in the spread of cultural Marxism in the West, since anything Marxism would have been a giant RED bogeyman that the nationalists of every country would despise.

    Pretty much, the world could very well have been a better place today.

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    Well Lenin only got to Russia because the Germans decided to let him through their territory late in the war (1917) in the hopes of disrupting the Russian war effort and the Bolsheviks were before that in the minority compared to the other groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredericus Rex View Post
    Suppose Germany and the Central Powers had won the First World War.
    Do the Central Powers win fast or does it take years to obtain victory? In practice they could've only won fast, at least if the Entente also consists of the British Empire and later on the U.S. So let's go with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fredericus Rex
    Would the world have been a better place?
    Yes, but then revolutions could've occured in the defeated countries of the Entente as revanchist (socialist? communist?) movements emerged in Britain and especially France or Russia. There's no telling what would've happened then. The 20th century as we know it after the summer of 1914 is completely different with this counterfactual. It's easier to say what would not have taken place - which is history as we know it - A.V. mentioned a few things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fredericus Rex
    What would be the effects?
    In 1914 the Germans had limited war aims, so no major annexations were in store. No more Belgium and Russian Poland perhaps, new German colonies, French demilitarisation and allied reparations, scaling back of the Royal Navy, a reordering of Eastern Europe favorable to German interests. Germany reigning supreme across the continent. The U.S. remains a sleeping, isolationist giant. There would be no NS and maybe no Soviet Russia, but monarchism (with some NS aspects) would've seen a revival - emerging as the dominant ideology on the continent. My (great)grandparents wouldn't have been so damn poor. Ecology, technology, prosperity, progress - a (temporary?) stopping of the rot - Pax Germana.
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    One can imagine today there might still be a Kaiser of a greater Germany along the lines of a constitutional monarchy. A surviving 2nd Reich might have acted as a greater bulwark against Soviet/Russian imperialism in the East, perhaps the German Empire might have been the focal point for a NATO-type organization or alliance to deter Soviet aggression, instead of the U.S.
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