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    Pope Benedict: Jewish People Not Guilty



    Pope Benedict: Jewish people not guilty for Jesus death

    Pope Benedict XVI (2 March 2011) Pope Benedict says the Temple authorities were the real accusers, not the Jews

    Pope Benedict has rejected the idea of collective Jewish guilt for Jesus Christ's death, in a new book to be published next week.

    Tackling an issue that has led to centuries of persecution, the Pope argues there is no basis in scripture for the Jewish people to be blamed.

    The Catholic Church officially repudiated the idea in 1965.

    But Jewish groups say the Pope's detailed analysis of the gospels is a major step forward.

    'Historic moment'

    "This is a personal repudiation of the theological underpinning of centuries of anti-Semitism," said Elan Steinberg, vice-president of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants.

    The Anti-Defamation League said it was an "important and historic moment".

    Excerpts of the book, Jesus of Nazareth-Part II, have been released in which the Pope considers the Gospels of John and Matthew and analyses the hours leading up to Jesus' death.

    “How could the whole people have been present at this moment to clamour for Jesus' death?”

    -Pope Benedict XVI

    Jesus of Nazareth-Part II

    "Now we must ask: Who exactly were Jesus' accusers?" he says, as he considers Jesus' condemnation to death by Roman governor Pontius Pilate. He also asks why St John said Jesus' accusers were "the Jews".

    "How could the whole people have been present at this moment to clamour for Jesus' death?"

    Benedict explains how only a few Temple leaders and a small group of supporters were primarily responsible for the crucifixion. He believes John's reference to "the Jews" must have been towards the "Temple aristocracy", because Jesus had declared himself King of the Jews and had violated Jewish law.

    In his analysis of the phrase taken from the gospel of Matthew - "His blood be on us and on our children" - Benedict says Jesus' blood "does not cry out for vengeance and punishment, it brings reconciliation. It is not poured out against anyone, it is poured out for many, for all."

    The Catholic Church's most authoritative teaching until now came in the 1965 document "Nostra Aetate" which said Jesus' death could not be attributed to the Jewish people either at the time or now.

    In a statement, the World Jewish Congress praised the Pope for setting an important marker against anti-Semitism and "unequivocally rejecting the argument that the Jewish people can be held responsible".

    Pope Benedict has had an awkward relationship with the Jewish world at times.

    In 2007, he revived a prayer for the conversion of Jews, one of a number of texts struck out of the liturgy in the early 1960s that had been considered offensive to Jews.

    He has also been criticised for backing the beatification process of Pius XII, the wartime pope seen by many as keeping largely quiet about the murder of Jews in the Holocaust.

    However, he paid an unprecedented trip to Israel in 2009 and visited the Rome synagogue the following year.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12634176

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    Sounds like he is preparing the groundwork for a major suck up to Judasim.

    Did someone black out his eyes in that picture? He's looking more demonic than usual.
    I grew up on a belief of honour, courage and the old world values. The world isn't about that anymore, preferring to die a slow death of fast food and cheap thrills.

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    Judaism in the time of Christ has several variation.
    Main were Pharisees, Essenes & Sadducees
    The Sanhedrin and the Temple was mainly controlled by the Sadducees, therefore the Saduccees Jews are actually guilty for Christ death.

    But from later to todays Jews are mainly Rabbis which are Pharisees evolution.
    The Ultra-orthodoxes are still nearly Pharisees.

    Pharisees were of course oppose to Jesus but strictly on "knowledge fight": wanting to destroy him but only via debate, just light today Democrats and Republicans fights, not by sentencing him to death, which would have prove a lack of argument.

    Now, except some sects like that is to official Judaism no more serious than superstar Kabbale, Sadducees have disappeared and lots of people think Christian are nothing more than Essenes.

    So we can assume that Jews since at least more than one millenium are NOT guilty, neither their ancestor or clergy.

    Moreover, many Jews were already out of Israel in year 33 and therefore were not able to be present in the Sanhedrin when Jesus was judge.

    So has early guilty Jews and jewish clergly or people sharing their believes has disappeared, logically Pope can say "Jewish people are not guilty"

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    Must have been the Jedi







    No seriously

    In the story of the crucifixion, meanwhile, Jews prompt Jesus' execution and say "His blood be on us, and on our children" Matthew 27:25. In the Book of John, Jesus calls certain Pharisees "children of the devil". John 8:44
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisem..._New_Testament

    Jesus was and continues to be rejected by many Jewish people as a failed Jewish Messiah claimant, converts to Christianity being the exceptions.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rejection_of_Jesus

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism%27s_view_of_Jesus


    1 Thessalonians 2:14-16:
    14 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone 16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.



    Pope exonerates Jews for Jesus' death in new book
    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t783725/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringen
    So we can assume that Jews since at least more than one millenium are NOT guilty, neither their ancestor or clergy.

    Moreover, many Jews were already out of Israel in year 33 and therefore were not able to be present in the Sanhedrin when Jesus was judge.

    So has early guilty Jews and jewish clergly or people sharing their believes has disappeared, logically Pope can say "Jewish people are not guilty"
    Now, it's somewhat funny that Jews blame the entire German people and demand them to suffer for the rest of eternity, while they force a German pope to bend over backwards to relieve the Jews from their collective guilt of killing their own messiah.

    It is not necessary for the collective German guilt that each and every single German was present in the fairy tale gas chambers, yet we all are guilty, even if we werent even born when it allegedly happened. And a thousand generations into the future Germans will still be guilty according to Jews.

    So, what is this really about?

    Of course, it is about their all-time favorite topic "Anti-Semitism". They need protection, but this time not from us and our inherent evilness, but from the Muslim immigrants who are increasingly Anti-Semitic. The "war on terror" runs a bit slow, Iraq didnt really get this with the democracy, Iran also still doesnt want this really and continues to (verbally) attack Israel and calls it an illegal installment (with all rights because its true), Afghanistan also isnt broken yet, and Gaddaffi spoils their staged revolution right now as well and could reverse the trend.

    This is not by chance that this statement comes right now. The "war on terror" (==Muslim part of the world) must be continued and must succeed. But as always, Jews have other people fight their war, and of course it helps when you remind Europe and Christians all over the world whom they have to support.

    And what better chance is there to ensure this support than to add another piece of "collective guilt" and let all those Christians know that they for centuries persecuted these poor people for nothing?


    Not that Jews, the same Jews who in this case claim that they are a "different" people than those back then in Jerusalem, claim the exact opposite to justify the very existence of Israel. But the stupid goyim doesnt want to see this contradiction....
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    It is not necessary for the collective German guilt that each and every single German was present in the fairy tale gas chambers, yet we all are guilty, even if we werent even born when it allegedly happened. And a thousand generations into the future Germans will still be guilty according to Jews.

    So, what is this really about?
    In fact with this logic (that I do not agree with), the Jews themselves should fell as guilty as the SS (most german just believe propanganda of happy working camp) because
    - the Kapos were Jewish
    - the Concentration Camp were built by Jewish under the command of Jewish civil engineer (themselves of course forced to do that as shown in "Schindler List" from Spielberg
    - the bodies were burned by Jewish.
    In fact in people making the KS going on were merly more Jewish than SS, just like in Roma there was more celtic, iberian, greek or german slaves than latin romans...

    Of course when you are separate from your wife and children and know that if you disobey it's them who will pay for your rebellion, it doesn't count whether you are ready to die or not.

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    Whether they killed somebody of their own or not, doesn't really bother me.

    They tried to avoid it as it is their law to these days to not kill their own, therefore they handed over the man to Pontius Pilatus, the roman authority, to kill a Jew which they couldn't. Of Course they tricked the man and called Jesus a conspiracy-theorist who conspired to plan a revolution not only against the jewish authority (who was officially complient with the roman authority) but also against the romans.

    They always try to not make their hands dirty but have some stooges to do the dirty work.

    What it is was exactly that they considered him dangerous is not very clear to me, it seems that they had some money rackets going which Jesus obviously disturbed. There might have been a close connection between bankers and the temple people and as Jesus called some of them Satanists we get more or less the same situation as we have today minus a Jesus.

    (I just remind that the Jew Roman Polanski was the maker of the movie 'Rosemary's Baby', the plot was the making of a baby by Satan, the woman was an innocent non-satanist person ((simply the same as with Christ but just from the other side)), Sharon Tate, Roman Polanski's wife and a gentile was originally considered for the main role (she played a minor role in that movie) became after the movie pregnant and was later murdered in a gruesome event. Roman Polanski later stomped into the blood of his wife abviously unmoved. Now given that the jew Polanski is also a lover of little girls and has been kept safe and free with the help of the french prime-minister the Jew Sarkozy makes clear that they are obvious Satanists) ((addendum: John Lennon lived in the same house where Rosemary's Baby was filmed and there he was killed too)).

    The movie is considered to bring the hippie-time (peace and love) to an end and might thus have been a psy-op operation.

    Jews are guilty because they foster Satanism in their own ranks and cover it, especially the 'secular' Jews. it seems that Satanism has a strong connection to Jews. I remember the book of an italian Jew who wrote about the child-sacrifices of medievial Jews, that is gentile non-jewish children. Don't know what they did to those kids before killing, but given their tendency to have sex with children lets me suspect just this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    They tried to avoid it as it is their law to these days to not kill their own, therefore they handed over the man to Pontius Pilatus, the roman authority, to kill a Jew which they couldn't.
    In many provinces of the Roman Empire, expecially Syria & Palestine only the Roman authority could sentence somebody to death.
    Conquered chieftain may take fines, whip, put in jail people of their tribe, but one aspect of Pax Romana was that only Rome (represented in this case by Pilatus) had rights of life and death on non-slaves.
    As well as authority symbol, it was to avoid vendetta, expecially against pro-romans by "autonomists".

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    Here we go.

    Aside from the fact that Jesus is just a combination of different mythic figures from other mythologies (Dionysus, Mithras, Osiris, Dagon, Odin, oh hell...even Buddha!) and thus never existed -- I don't see how anyone can be guilty of "killing him."

    As I've said before, the Vatican is really going rogue here and out of its way to bend over backwards to its masters. It publicly humiliates itself time and time again and just shows what kind of nutcases and morons are running the show. I would really like to know who over there are the real brains behind the operation.

    Tough, though, to say who it is trying to grovel to more...Judaism, Muslims, Dagon, or its own Cardinal Sins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringen
    In fact with this logic (that I do not agree with), the Jews themselves should fell as guilty as the SS (most german just believe propanganda of happy working camp) because
    - the Kapos were Jewish
    - the Concentration Camp were built by Jewish under the command of Jewish civil engineer (themselves of course forced to do that as shown in "Schindler List" from Spielberg
    - the bodies were burned by Jewish.
    In fact in people making the KS going on were merly more Jewish than SS, just like in Roma there was more celtic, iberian, greek or german slaves than latin romans...

    Of course when you are separate from your wife and children and know that if you disobey it's them who will pay for your rebellion, it doesn't count whether you are ready to die or not.

    Ah, yeah, right, the almost 100.000 Jews in the SS were all slaves and did this only because they had a machine gun pointing at their backs all the time... these poor people... *sniff*

    I tell you what. Jews were in that organisation because the Jews are a sick people who enjoy torturing other people. There is not a single shred of evidence that Hitler ever ordered the mass extermination, there are only papers speaking of expatriation, which in my book is something entirely different.

    But then again, the 6mio figure was around since at least 1921 and ever since repeated countless times in newspapers throughout the 20s and 30s. Not that there have been even 6mio Jews in all of Europe to that time, it has only been 5,4mio, and obviously a lot of them survived, otherwise there would be no more whining.

    And the magic 6mio figure is part of a prophecy that has Israel as the prize after six million Jews have died in a holocaust or shoa. The word holocaust describes a human sacrifice in fire in order to bring about Israel in the first place. Israel in this prophecy does not refer to the physical land though, but it refers to what Islam calls "Dar-al Islam", the part of the world that is Islamized and then "lives in peace" under the same order. NWO anyone?

    Knowing that it has been Jews who killed almost 20mio ethnic Russians in the Holodomer, I seriously wouldnt be that surprised to learn one day that it have been Jews themselves - in order to bring about Israel - starting to organise from within the SS to mass exterminate their own people. After all, it would make sense. A sacrifice to your tribe's god you have to do yourself, it doesnt help when other people do it. People who dont even have an interest in doing it. Germany, and in that opinion they havent been alone in Europe, wanted to get rid off the Jews »within« our borders and this is what the camps were for: to gather them and to bring them away.

    Ironic that it was the war effort against Germany that eventually killed a lot in these camps. You first feed your own people when food gets scarce, not prisoners of war or people that you anyway want to get rid off.


    But why, Mr Zionist, is it that you believe that Jews as such cannot have a collective guilt, while you dont even start to question the assertion that all Germans are guilty? For an event that did not even happen in the first place (and no, Schindler's List is no valid source for historic events).


    I tell you another thing too. Christians are by their religion a danger to Germanic preservation, simply because they accept the Jewish tribe's god as their own and believe the BS from the bible which has nothing but scorn and outright hate for Gentiles (which btw still also includes christians... self hate anyone?), and I'd dare to predict that 90+ per cent of christians will be loyal to their religion and not their ethnic people when the day comes to make a decision. And it has been christians throughout history who time and again let the Jews back in because it is their christian duty to support the chosen ones.

    All this pseudo-Anti-Semitism of christians is merely a dispute over the recognition of the messiah. It has never been about the people, their positions, their doings or whatever. It is a theological thing only, not "Anti-Semitism". After all, Christians and Jews still adhere to the same religion, the same god, the same world view, the same morals, the same "heaven", the same everything.

    We are not Jews though, and we will never become Jews. This retarded system goes entirely against our nature, our way of thinking, our perception of the world; christians are an oximoron by definition. It makes people sick. That our people die is due to christianity having infected our common sense and even our very will to live.

    It is disgusting to see people ranting against immigration while making exceptions for the Jews, as if they were not a foreign people and would have a right to be here. While it is Jews who want to "enlighten" us with multiculturalism and multiracialism, because it is the environment in a host nation that allows them to not stick out too much in the first place. They are the very SOURCE of our problems, but they should not be removed? They should be the first to be removed, because only then we will be able to solve all other problems. But as history proved countless times, Christians will be a hindrance...
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