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Thread: Jewish Leaders Slam Memorial Day for Expelled Germans

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    Each new proclamation by hypocritical, bigoted Jews such as Kramer merely serves to reinforce my conviction ...

    Hitler was right!

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    I guess the Jews need to be the centre of attention at all times. They act like little kids sometimes.

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    The reason why German victims of WW II and afterwards are not allowed to be mentioned is that Western European society has been influenced and fully orchestrated by Jews since 1945. The memorial of the Holocaust is the basic pillar of today´s policy. As man needs food to live, our lunatic society needs the daily memorial of the Holocaust to survive. Unlike Eastern European nations have freed themselves and are now free to think and to develop themselves, Western Europe has been still fighting an imaginary Führer bunker since the end of WW II.

    We in Western Europe need a people´s revolution as took place in Egypt a few weeks ago in order to sweep away this sick society an its paranoical policy !

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    I regard the persecution of Europe's Jews as one of the greatest tragedy and crime against humanity in German history. But German victims of the allied forces and those who were driven from their homes in the East and elsewhere after the war deserve recognition as war victims as well. This latest statement made by Jewish leaders is short-sighted and extremely disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friedrich View Post
    This is so disgusting from Jewish groups.
    Here, where black opinion favors the Palestinians I've always stuck up for Israel.
    But after reading this I will reconsider my position.
    How can they say all 12 million Germans were imported settlers?
    What - imported in a war?
    Well, the world has just become clearer to me.
    Thank you, great thread.
    Will share on the web!
    I support Israel myself. I have no quarrel with the Jews. But they need to accept that their people wern't the only ethnic group to suffer during or after WW2.

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    I think they deserved the persecution by germans because they brought it on themselves like in many lands from times immemorial.

    They are abuse absolutely criminal and that gets punished after a while.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    Come on. Is anyone really surprised by this? It makes perfect sense. Why would they want anyone on Germany to think of anything other than guilt? Treacherous scum!

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    Why condemn it? That just seems strange.

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    I came across another article about the memorial day they considered:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...745731,00.html
    Germany and Its World War II Victims - Historians Condemn Commemoration Day Proposal

    A new parliamentary proposal to establish a commemoration day in honor of those Germans expelled from Eastern Europe following World War II has revived an ongoing debate about Germany's 20th century history. Dozens of accomplished academics have blasted the idea in an open letter. (..)

    The day, should Merkel's cabinet choose to pursue the idea, would be in memory of the expulsion of millions of Germans from Eastern Europe in the wake of World War II. Past efforts to commemorate their suffering have reliably elicited outcries from both within Germany and abroad. Portraying Germans as victims of World War II, after all, is always a dicey proposition.
    The Berlin opposition took the lead last week in blasting Merkel's conservatives. On Monday, they were joined by 68 leading historians from Germany and elsewhere in Europe, who published an open letter criticizing the idea.

    Parliamentary support for such a commemoration day, the document reads, is "an incorrect historical-political signal." (..)

    In particular, the open letter castigates German parliamentarians for choosing to peg the commemoration day to the anniversary of the "Charter of German Expellees," a document which was signed on August 5, 1950 by representatives of German groups expelled from the east.

    The charter renounces any claim to "revenge and retribution" and pledges to contribute to the postwar reconstruction of Germany and Europe. But it has long been criticized for it's shortcomings.

    "In the charter, there is no word about the cause of the war, about the mass crimes of the National Socialists, about the murder of the Jews, Poles, Roma and Sinti, Soviet prisoners of war and other persecuted groups," the open letter published Monday reads.
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    Up to 10 million Germans were forced to leave Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and other Eastern European regions -- some of which had been German territory prior to the war. Hundreds of thousands of the expellees lost their lives as they were driven out of the countries.

    Efforts by the Federation of Expellees to establish a documentation center in Berlin focusing on the expulsions have long been viewed with significant skepticism, first and foremost in Poland. There is concern that putting the spotlight on Germans who suffered as a result of the war distracts from the true victims of World War II - those persecuted and systematically murdered by the Nazis.

    The authors of the Charter of German Expellees "did not take into account the entire historical context of World War II," a spokesman for the Polish Foreign Ministry said last week in response to the Berlin parliamentary proposal. "The document does not serve the interests of German-Polish reconciliation."

    "There are possibilities to remember the victims of expulsions," Winkler said. "But I don't see any justification to focus exclusively on Germans because of the danger of losing sight of the context."

    An expellee commemoration day is seen all the more critically given that it would receive the same status as Jan. 27: Holocaust Remembrance Day.

    Why, then, did Merkel's conservatives and the FDP put forward the proposal in the first place? There are some who see campaign tactics at work. Voters are heading to the polls this year for several key regional elections and Merkel's government faces an uphill battle in many of them. Courting the expellees has long been a tried and true method in Germany of shoring up the conservative vote, not unlike Republicans in the US pandering to religious conservatives.

    But given concerns abroad on the issue, it is a dangerous political card to play. And the list of respected historians from across Eastern Europe who signed Monday's open letter makes it clear that the issue remains sensitive.
    Government spokesman Steffen Seibert told SPIEGEL ONLINE on Monday that, while Merkel's cabinet will take a look at the parliamentary proposal, it is guarded when it comes to a commemoration day.

    Still, it would seem that the Bundestag proposal has been enough to open old wounds. "The political early warning system," says Winkler, "would seem to have failed."
    Of course, can't have a memorial for german victims too, as it would distract from the holocaust religion.

    I don't think this proposal will ever be really considered or implemented. I find it funny that they even said that merely discussing this proposal was a failure of the 'political early warning system' (it just shows how controlled our democracies are, if such topics under normal circumstances couldn't even be discussed, and that just talking about it is seen as a failure of this control system).

    I would like to know the names of the 68 historians who have signed the letter and their nationalities/ethnicities, has someone found them somewhere? Their names should be remembered, especially those of german traitors on that list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinrich Harrer View Post
    I would like to know the names of the 68 historians who have signed the letter and their nationalities/ethnicities, has someone found them somewhere? Their names should be remembered, especially those of german traitors on that list.
    68 propagandists more like.

    Propaganda, American-style

    by Noam Chomsky

    Pointing to the massive amounts of propaganda spewed by government and institutions around the world, observers have called our era the age of Orwell. But the fact is that Orwell was a latecomer on the scene. As early as World War I, American historians offered themselves to President Woodrow Wilson to carry out a task they called "historical engineering," by which they meant designing the facts of history so that they would serve state policy. In this instance, the U.S. government wanted to silence opposition to the war. This represents a version of Orwell's 1984, even before Orwell was writing.

    In 1921, the famous American journalist Walter Lippmann said that the art of democracy requires what he called the "manufacture of consent." This phrase is an Orwellian euphemism for thought control. The idea is that in a state such as the U.S. where the government can't control the people by force, it had better control what they think.. The Soviet Union is at the opposite end of the spectrum from us in its domestic freedoms. It's essentially a country run by the bludgeon. It's very easy to determine what propaganda is in the USSR: what the state produces is propaganda.

    That's the kind of thing that Orwell described in 1984 (not a very good book in my opinion). 1984 is so popular because it's trivial and it attacks our enemies. If Orwell had dealt with a different problem-- ourselves--his book wouldn't have been so popular. In fact, it probably wouldn't have been published.

    In totalitarian societies where there's a Ministry of Truth, propaganda doesn't really try to control your thoughts. It just gives you the party line. It says, "Here's the official doctrine; don't disobey and you won't get in trouble. What you think is not of great importance to anyone. If you get out of line we'll do something to you because we have force." Democratic societies can't work like that, because the state is much more limited in its capacity to control behavior by force. Since the voice of the people is allowed to speak out, those in power better control what that voice says--in other words, control what people think. One of the ways to do this is to create political debate that appears to embrace many opinions, but actually stays within very narrow margins. You have to make sure that both sides in the debate accept certain assumptions--and that those assumptions are the basis of the propaganda system. As long as everyone accepts the propaganda system, the debate is permissible....

    http://www.zpub.com/un/chomsky.html

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