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    Arrow David Irving: Hitler and Churchill


    I've just watched all 10 episodes of this and sat there gobsmacked at this man's knowledge of WW2, the Third Reich and other contemporary issues such as the financing of Winston ( hic!) Churchill. In fact, he completely destroys Churchill in the last 4 or so parts

    Absolutely amazing stuff but it amounts to over 2 hours if you listen to the whole lot. I initially intended to just watch the first few installments but soon became riveted with all the dates, names, plots and sub-plots

    At the beginning he mentions Dresden and the fact he felt a “complete idiot” when a man from Leipzig told him about it (in 1960) and he had to confess that – even as a British historian - he'd never even heard of this raid up until then!

    There are many other excellent little anecdotes too, and he makes a valid point that most “historians” simply quote from previously-written books rather than consult primary sources, so the information going round about WW2 is still the original propaganda that no-one has actually done any research to check Also, he speaks fluent German whereas 99% of other Third Reich “academics” don't even understand what the German documents are about.

    The sound goes a bit dodgy for the last couple of minutes of part 2 and the first four of part 3 but other than that it's very clear and his (public-school sounding) accent is quite easy to understand, although I find he does speak a little quickly at times.

    For sheer depth of knowledge on the subject of WW2 though, Irving is by far the best there is - despite being shunned by the Establishment and imprisoned/fined for his views which don't meet “official” requirements. It seems like that's the price you pay for speaking the truth these days

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    David Irving is a Galileo of our times.

    He is the final authority when it comes to WWII, and masses widely read his works. That is good. I've never seen anyone winning information war with jew-owned media. Irving comes close

    Even in Poland, in bookstores the shelves are full of his titles along with official propaganda by Kershaw and other courtiers.

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    Thanks for posting this video series.

    Of course it's banned in Germany, how surprising.

    I know how to circumvent it, but this censorship is still damn pathetic and annoying.

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    Funny that he had not heard of the raid on Dresden until he went to Germany.

    I learned of it in an American High School in the early 70's, it wasn't hard to find information about it.

    Not to mention it was an important part of a best selling novel and movie (Slaughter House Five) from that time period.

    And as far as destroying Churchill, I can't imagine that David Irving does any better job than the one done by Patrick Buchanan in his Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War.

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    The blokes a hero, an absolute hero, they should erect a statue to him in Germany.

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    Not a statue, a pantheon

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    Funny that he had not heard of the raid on Dresden until he went to Germany.

    I learned of it in an American High School in the early 70's, it wasn't hard to find information about it.
    Well this is what he says in the first part of his speech, Hammish. Check this out at 7:50 of the video link, above ^

    I'm sure it had become common knowledge by the 1970's though ... mainly due to David Irving writing a book called "The Destruction Of Dresden" in 1963.

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    Excellent set of videos there.Not only is Mr Irving a great historian but he is also a droll story teller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammish View Post
    Funny that he had not heard of the raid on Dresden until he went to Germany.
    David Irving's book the Destruction of Dresden was first released in 1963 - long before you first heard of the bombing. He started working on it in the late Fifties when very little of the horrors of the bombing raid were talked about, even in Germany. David Irving changed all that and brought the story into the open. David Irving only uses primary sources for his work, either primary documentation or eye witness testimony. He does not use the works of other so called historians. During the 60's and 70's he was the only historian that some members of Hitler's inner circle would speak to as they trusted him. This made him highly unpopular with certain sections of the media and with other historians - particularly those on the left. His enemies (particularly the Jews) have sought to destroy him ever since.

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    I found it odd that he had not heard of it before he did, with his interest in history and all, and living in a time when he was surrounded by veterans and witness's to the events of WWII.

    I'd have to say that a lot must have changed in the seven years from the publication of Irving's book and the my discovery of events in late 1969 or 1970.

    I recall references to the bombing of Dresden in many different media sources throughout the seventies and eighties. So I have to assume that this Dresden and the firebombing of Tokyo were not secret information

    Max Hastings's book Armageddon http://tinyurl.com/4h2pycn * (which I am currently reading), covers very well the disgust that most senior and middle staff officers had for Bomber Harris and the gradual subversion of the US Air Command in Europe to use the terror bombing techniques.

    I believe there was even debate in the British press during WWII concerning it. Hence my amazement.


    * Link goes to Amazon

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