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    Waffen-ϟϟ "Weaponology" (Propaganda from Discovery Channel)

    This is a "documentary" program called Weaponology, this episode focuses on the Waffen-ϟϟ and the weapons that they used. It illustrates how all the best technology was produced by the Germans and highlights the fact that the Germans was not beaten in a soldier to soldier war. Also it has lies and disinformation a plenty. Such as an American's recounting how he and two soldiers effected the surrender of 15000 ϟϟ troops with panzers while disobeying orders...

    The words "evil" and "indoctrinated" gets thrown around allot...

    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    The Weaponology series is good for a laugh (and frustration, if you have knowledge of weapons and equipment).

    But I have to admit that this episode is way better than the Spetsnaz episode for instance.

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    Of course the SS mans greatest weapon was his unswerving ideology.

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    I laughed my life out when the narrating person said: "the SS or Shoot Stuffel"
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    I'm nonetheless surprised that the Discovery Channel even covers that subject. An entire episode dedicated not to German soldiers, the Wehrmacht or any other special forces unit like say the Fallschirmjaeger, but actually explicitly the SS.

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    Combat Weapons of the Waffen SS

    Stielhandgranate Model 24





    Walther P38



    Production history
    Designed 1938
    Manufacturer Carl Walther Waffenfabrik, Mauser Werke, Spreewerke
    Produced Walther P38 1939-1945
    Pistole P1 1957-2000
    Number built ~1,000,000 [1]
    Variants P1, P38K, P38 SD, P4

    Specifications
    Weight 800 g (1 lb 12 oz)
    Length 216 mm (8.5 in)
    Barrel length 125 mm (4.9 in)
    Cartridge 9x19mm Parabellum
    Action Short recoil, locked breech
    Muzzle velocity 365 m/s (1,200 ft/s)
    Effective range Sights set for 50 m (55 yd)
    Feed system 8-round detachable single-stack magazine
    Sights Rear notch and front blade post

    Luger P08 pistol



    Production History
    Designer Georg J. Luger
    Manufacturer Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken, Imperial Arsenals of Erfurt and Spandau, Simson, Krieghoff, Mauser, Vickers, Waffenfabrick Bern
    Produced 1908 – 1945

    Specifications
    Weight 1.92 lbs. (871 grams)
    Length 8.75 in. (222 mm)
    Barrel length 98 mm–203 mm
    (3.9 in–8.02 in.)
    Cartridge 7.65x22mm Parabellum
    9x19mm Parabellum
    Action Toggle-locked, short recoil
    Rate of fire Semi-automatic
    Muzzle velocity 350-400 m/s or 1148-1312 f/s (9mm, 4 inch barrel)
    Effective range 50 m (9mm, 4 inch barrel; short barrel)
    Feed system 8-round detachable box magazine, 32-round detachable drum
    Sights Iron sights

    Karabiner 98k






    Production History
    Designed: 1935
    Manufacturer: Mauser
    Produced: 1935–1945
    Number built: 14,643,260
    Variants: G40k


    Specifications
    Weight: 3.7 kg (8.2 lb) - 4.1 kg (9.0 lb)
    Length: 1,110 mm (43.70 in)
    Barrel length: 600 mm (23.62 in)
    Cartridge: 7.92x57mm IS
    Action: Bolt-action
    Muzzle velocity: 760 m/s (2,493 ft/s)
    Effective range: 500 m (547 yd) (with iron sights)
    800+ m (875 yd) (with optics)
    Feed system: 5-round stripper clip, internal magazine
    Sights: Iron sights. Telescopic sight

    Gewehr 41



    Production History
    Designed 1941

    Specifications
    Weight 10.87 lb (4.9 kilograms)
    Length 1140 mm (44.8 inches)
    Barrel length 546 mm (21.5 inches)
    Cartridge 7.92x57mm Mauser
    Action Gas-operated
    Rate of fire 20 to 30 rounds per minute
    Muzzle velocity 775 m/s (2,328 ft/s)
    Effective range 400 m
    Feed system 10-round non-detachable magazine

    Gewehr 43




    Production History
    Designed: 1943
    Number built: 402,713


    Specifications
    Weight: 4.1 kg (9.7 lb)
    Length: 1130 mm
    Barrel length: 546 mm (21.5 inches)
    Cartridge: 7.92x57mm Mauser
    Action: Gas-operated
    Muzzle velocity: 775 m/s (2,328 ft/s)
    Effective range: 500 m, 800 m with scope
    Feed system: 10-round detachable box magazine
    Sights: Iron sights, Zf42 optical crosshair

    Maschinenpistole MP28



    Production History
    Designer Hugo Schmeisser
    Designed 1916
    Manufacturer Bergmann Waffenfabrik
    Qingdao Iron Works
    Produced 1918–1920s

    Specifications
    Weight 4.18 kg (9.2 lb)
    Length 832 mm (32.8 in)
    Barrel length 200 mm (7.9 in)
    Cartridge 9×19mm Parabellum
    7.63×25mm Mauser
    Action open bolt blowback
    Rate of fire ~500 round/min
    Muzzle velocity 380 m/s (1,247 ft/s)

    Maschinenpistole MP40/41





    Production History
    Designer: Heinrich Vollmer
    Designed: 1938
    Manufacturer: Erma Werke
    Produced: 1940–1945
    Number built: Approx. 1 million
    Variants: MP 36, MP 38, MP 40, MP 40/1, MP 41

    Specifications
    Weight: 4 kg (8.82 lb)
    Length: 833 mm (32.8 in) stock extended / 630 mm (24.8 in) stock folded
    Barrel: length 251 mm (9.9 in)
    Cartridge: 9x19mm Parabellum
    Action: Straight blowback, open bolt
    Rate of fire: 550 rounds/min
    Muzzle velocity: 380 m/s (1,247 ft/s)
    Effective range: 100 m
    Feed system: 32-round detachable box magazine
    Sights: Hooded front blade, fixed and flip-up U-notch rear

    Sturmgewehr StG44






    Production History
    Designed: 1942
    Manufacturer: C. G. Haenel Waffen und Fahrradfabrik, CITEFA
    Produced: October 1943
    Number built: 425,977

    Specifications
    Weight: 5.22 kg (11.5 lb)
    Length: 940 mm (37 in)
    Barrel length: 419 mm (16.5 in)
    Cartridge: 7.92x33mm Kurz
    Action: Gas-operated, tilting bolt
    Rate of fire: 500-600 rounds/min
    Muzzle velocity: 685 m/s (2,247 ft/s)
    Effective range: 300 m
    Feed system: 30-round detachable box magazine
    Sights: Adjustable sights, rear: V-notch; front: hooded post

    Fallschirmjägergewehr 42



    Production history
    Designer Louis Stange
    Designed 1941–1942
    Manufacturer Rheinmetall-Borsig (limited), Heinrich Krieghoff Waffenfabrik, L. O. Dietrich (limited)
    Produced 1943–1945
    Variants Early model (original Rheinmetall-Borsig design), late model (Krieghoff revision)

    Specifications
    Weight Ausführung "E": 4.2 kg (9.3 lb)
    Ausführung "G": 4.95 kg (10.9 lb)
    Length Ausführung "E": 945 mm (37.2 in)
    Ausführung "G": 975 mm (38.4 in)
    Barrel length 500 mm (19.7 in)
    Cartridge 7.92x57mm Mauser
    Action Gas-operated, rotating bolt
    Rate of fire Ausführung "E": ~900 rounds/min
    Ausführung "G": ~750 rounds/min
    Muzzle velocity 740 m/s (2,428 ft/s) (SmK bullet)
    Effective range 500 m

    Maschinengewehr 34



    Production History
    Designer: Heinrich Vollmer
    Designed: 1934
    Manufacturer: Numerous, but mostly Mauser
    Produced: 1934-1945


    Specifications
    Weight: 12.1 kg (26.7 lb)
    19.2 kg (42.3 lb) (with tripod)
    Length: 1,219 mm (48 in)
    Barrel length: 627 mm (24.7 in)
    Cartridge: 7.92x57mm Mauser
    Action: Recoil operated
    Rate of fire: 800-900 rounds/min
    Early versions: 600-1000 rounds/min selectable on pistol grip
    MG 34"S" : 1,700 rounds/min.
    MG 34/41 : 1,200 rounds/min.
    Muzzle velocity: 755 m/s (2,477 ft/s)
    Feed system: 50/200-round belts, 50/75 round drum
    Sights: Iron sights

    Maschinengewehr 42



    Production History
    Designed: 1942
    Manufacturer: Metall/Lackierwarenfabrik Johannes Großfuß AG
    Produced: 1942–1945
    Number built: Approx. 750,000
    Variants: MG 45/MG 42V, MG 1, MG 2, Rheinmetall MG 3


    Specifications
    Weight: 11.57 kg (25.51 lb)
    Length: 1,120 mm (44.1 in)
    Barrel length: 533 mm (21.0 in)
    Cartridge: 7.92x57mm Mauser
    Action: Recoil-operated, roller-locked
    Rate of fire: 1,200 rpm (varied between 900–1,500 rpm with different bolts)
    Muzzle velocity: 755 m/s (2,477 ft/s)
    Effective range: 1000 m
    Feed system 50 or 250-round belt

    Weapons -
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    Wikipedia says that Sturmgewehr 44 is "the mother of all assault rifles"---the first of it's kind.

    And about MG42:
    One of the weapon's most notable features was its comparatively high rate of fire of about 1,200 rounds per minute, twice the rate of the British Vickers machine gun and American Browning at 600 round/min. So distinct and terrifying was the weapon that the United States Army created training films to aid its soldiers in dealing with the psychological trauma of facing the weapon in battle. At such a high rate the human ear cannot easily discern the sound of individual bullets being fired, and in use the gun makes a sound described as like "ripping cloth" and giving rise to the nickname "Hitler's buzzsaw", or, more coarsely, "Hitler's zipper" (Soviet soldiers called it the "linoleum ripper"). German soldiers called it Hitlersäge ("Hitler's saw")
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_42




    A soldier of SS-Division "Hitlerjugend" (thus 16-19y old) with MG 42 in Caen, Normandy, Summer 1944. The Allies nicknamed the division "Baby-Division" because of it's adolescent age soldiers.

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    Maschinenpistole MP40/41 was also the first weapon to be made of composite materials.

    This, the most famous and widely recognized submachine gun in the world - sometimes erroneously called 'Schmeisser' even though that inventor had nothing to do with the MP-40's design - is also the most widely sought after. Its design is no less than revolutionary in terms of small arms development: first to incorporate a successful folding stock, first made entirely of metal and composite materials, first designed specifically with new mass production stamping and spot welding techniques ... the list goes on.

    http://www.marstar.ca/fullauto/G-MP-40.htm
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimminger View Post
    This is a "documentary" program called Weaponology, this episode focuses on the Waffen SS and the weapons that they used. It illustrates how all the best technology was produced by the Germans and highlights the fact that the Germans was not beaten in a soldier to soldier war. Also it has lies and disinformation a plenty. Such as an American's recounting how he and two soldiers effected the surrender of 15000 SS troops with panzers while disobeying orders...

    The words "evil" and "indoctrinated" gets thrown around allot...
    They are talking obvious BS in part 1 and even show people in the know that they know it is BS. Example : They say "first there was the SS and then the SA rose stronger ". It was the other way around, even wikipedia readers know this. The docu was produced by the Military Channel (Thus the DoD)
    and they have to do this to be "PC". However when it comes to weapon-technology and Waffen SS training they are factual and correct, such as "1 in 3 was weeded out during the training" and "the first force where from corporal to officers all got the same hard training, which produced extreme homogeneous combat units who were quite formidable on the battlefield."

    Also they agree to my assertion in #7 that Sturmgewehr44 and MG 42 were the really 2 outstanding infantry weapons developed of which they say that they "revolutionized the Global Battlefield" in the 20th century. Further on they say that MG42 "unleashed a Tsunami of Death" against the advancing British and Canadian troops ("who still used magazines weapons") in Normandy summer 1944. Also they put up the thesis that one reason the Germans won most skirmishes and close combat engagements against the early Allies 1940, thus BEF and French Army, was when the latter two were assaulted by German elite (Waffen SS or Panzergrenadiers) they were simply overwhelmed by superior fire power, thus the revolutionary assault rifle (Sturmgewehr44). Regular German Infantry wasn't equipped with StuG44, but rather conventional like the British themselves, e.g. carabiners, 1 MG per platoon, and submachine-guns for officers. An interesting theory which is worth to be considered.

    Part 2 deals extensively with StuG44 and MG 42. Both weapons are explained by an US-Army instructor and of course demonstrated on the shooting gallery. I would rather suggest : forget part 1, start with 2. 1 is merely BS and mostly political ("it was all evil") while the hard facts (weaponology) starts only near the end of 1.





    Sturmgewehr44 and MG42 explained and demonstrated:

    Weaponology - Waffen S.S part 2


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    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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