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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth View Post
    I joined facebook to connect with my paternal relatives. I wrote a little about Dresden, Germany. My aunt replied that it happened all because "of one very evil man", she means Hitler. I responded with your quote, "As regards Dresden, Churchill was the one to blame".
    I've seen this trick pulled at times. While the Anglo-American Air-Forces have bombed Dresden to create a fire storm, Adolf Hitler and by implication the Germans were to blame for it. Classical example of Victim-Perpetrator inversion. Of course also an attempt to deflect to other debates like the origins of the war, "The Holocaust", who started bombing on cities, etc. If this all gets soberly analysed with the facts, it still doesn't look to good for the blame-shifting, but most people can't or won't do that.

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    Don't Believe the Lies About the Dresden Casualties - At Least 250K Were Incinerated Alive - Mike Walsh.

    It is ironic that those who screech loudest about holocaust denial are 6 million times guiltier of being in denial of confirmed holocausts. It is because Allied holocausts are so undisputed that their only recourse is censorship ~ and denial.

    Across Europe, especially in France, Germany, Italy and the Low Countries, thousands of cities and their unfortunate civilian populations was fireball incinerated. Dresden and hundreds of other cities and towns in Europe were literally turned into horrific crematories.

    Many metropolis never recovered from the Allied infernos. Whatever city and town landscapes you see in Germany today is alien to what it was in our lifetime.

    In respect of Dresden, the Federal Republic of Germany put the figure of dead at 35,000. This is still not enough to fill any small city’s football arena. On February 14, 1945, the Saxon city’s population, similar to that of say Liverpool, was teeming with refugees fleeing the ravishing Red Army then being urged on by Winston Churchill.

    It is reasonable to assume that Dresden was host to 1,500,000 doomed souls when the first of the RAF and USAAF carpet bombing raids commenced on St Valentine’s Night 1945.

    Shortly after reunification, the Dresden city administration at that time also represented the survivors’ point of view. COMPACT presents an original document of the Landeshauptstadt Dresden / Stadtverwaltung from July 31, 1992, signed by the Area Manager Karin Mitscherlich. It clearly states:

    In a vain attempt to provide more credible figures a document was eventually produced that appeared to concede that 202,000 people, mostly civilians had died in the Allied crematoria:

    ‘According to reliable information from the Dresden police, 202,040 dead, mostly women and children, were recovered by March 20, 1945. Only 30% of these could be identified. Including the missing, a figure of 250,000 to 300,000 victims is likely to be realistic. Appalling, many of the hillocks of corpses were later misrepresented by the Allied media as victims of German internment camps.’

    However, scholarly revisionism has proved that this document was fake. The false document was yet another vain attempt to sidestep the true figure of those incinerated, which could be set at four times that number who perished.

    ‘Dresden 1945’, has compiled a large number of sources
    in the chapter ‘Facts and Figures’ original documents, extracts from contemporary press releases, finds in Soviet encyclopaedias, plus testimonies from SED politicians, and in Issue published that the overwhelming majority assume over 100,000 victims of the terrorist attack.

    An exact number is simply impossible because during the holocaust many of the victims were burned to ashes or literally evaporated in their cellars. The ludicrous spin on the allied spun casualty figures spurred historians on to further investigations: Corresponding new research has not yet been completed.

    Concerned voices were raised about the incineration not just of this great Saxon city but of the satanic-like scale of the holocaust that was rained down on Germany, France, Italy and the Low Countries by the USAAF and RAF.

    ‘One of the most unhealthy features of the bombing offensive was that the War Cabinet – and in particular the Secretary for Air, Archibald Sinclair, felt it necessary to repudiate publicly the orders which they themselves had given to Bomber Command.’ ~ R. H. S Crosman. Labour Minister of Housing. Sunday Telegraph, October 1 1961.

    ‘Kassel suffered over three-hundred air raids, some carrying waves of 1,000 bombers; British by night, American by day. When on April, 4, 1945, Kassel surrendered, of a population of 250,000, just 15,000 were left alive.’ ~ Jack Bell, Chicago Daily News Foreign Service, Kassel, May 15 1946.

    ‘Countless smaller towns and villages had been razed to the ground or turned into ghost towns, like Wiener Neustadt in Austria, which emerged from the air raids and the street fighting with only eighteen houses intact and its population reduced from 45,000 to 860.’ In the Ruins of the Reich, Douglas Botting. George, Allen & Unwin. London. 1985.

    OTHER CITIES incinerated with most of their populations: Berlin, Hamburg, Dortmund, Essen, Dresden, Frankfurt, Nuremberg, Dusseldorf, Hanover, Bremen, Wuppertal, Vienna, Duisburg. Munich, Magdeburg, Leipzig, Mannheim, Stuttgart, Kiel, Gelsdenkirchen, Bochum, Aachen, Wurzburg, Darmstadt, Krefeld, Munster, Munchen Gladbach, Braunschweig, Ludwishafen, Remscheid, Pforzheim, Osnabruck, Mainz, Bielefeld, Gieben, Duren, Solingen, Wilhelmshaven, Karlsruhe, Oberhausen, Heilbronn, Augsburg, Hamm, Knittelfeld, Luneburg, Cuxhaven, Kulmback, Hagen, Saarbrucken, Freiburg, Graz, Koblenz, Ulm, Bonn, Bremerhaven, Wanne-Eickel, Worms, Lubeck, Schweinfurt, Kleve, Wiener Neustadt, Wiesbaden, Paderborn, Bocholt, Hanau, Hildesheim, Emden, Siegen, Pirmasons, Hale, Bayreuth, Kreuznach, Witten, Aschaffenburg, Kaiserlautern, Gladbeck, Dorsten, Innsbruck, Neumunster, Linz, Klagenfurt, Reutlingen, Recklinghausen, Reuel, Regensburg, Homberg, Elmshorn, Wetzel, Villach, Hamelin, Konigsberg, Moers, Passau, Solbad Hall I. T, Coburg, Attnang-Puchheim, Friedrichshafen, Frankfurt-Oder, Danzig, Bozen, Chemnitz, Rostock, Schwerte, Plauen, Rome, Bad Kreuznach, Neapel, Genoa, Mailand, Turin.

    London Times reviewer on the British Official History of the Strategic Air Offensive: ‘One closes these volumes feeling, uneasily, that the true heroes of the story they tell are neither the contending air marshals, nor even the 58,888 officers and men of Bomber Command who were killed in action.

    They were the inhabitants of the German cities under attack; the men, women and children who stoically endured and worked on among the flaming ruins of their homes and factories, up till the moment when the allied armies overran them.’

    ‘A sense of national embarrassment about the dark side of a virtuous war’ may be the explanation for the British Bombing Survey Unit’s silence. Such a sentiment may account for the disdain in which ‘Bomber Harris’ was sometimes later held. Perhaps it even explains the near silence about area bombing in the six-volume war history by Winston Churchill.’ ~ Are We Beasts? Churchill and the Moral Question of World War 11 ‘Area Bombing’ Christopher C. Harmon, Naval War College Newport, Rhode Island. The U.S.

    Don't Believe the Lies About the Dresden Casualties - At Least 250K Were Incinerated Alive

    Mike Walsh

    Feb 13 2020

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