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Thread: The Dresden Holocaust: Lest We Forget

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    Post Re: neo-nazi march on dresden

    Perhaps it would have sat better with me if it wasn't billed as the anniversary of the bombing itself. Such things only demoralise or anger the people, and I do not see any use of such things. It is good to remember, but not to have a party about it.

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    Dresden bombing tribute

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Mike Hodgson
    To: Adelaide Institute
    Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 1:10 AM
    Subject: Re: Dresden bombing tribute


    It is really good, being kept abreast of all this kind of thing, especially when the information contains things the local media leave out.
    Did anyone notice the highly 'sanitised' report on Dresden, by the leftist filth on SBS on Tuesday night?

    The description of the actual bombing of Dresden adroitly avoided any mention of the deliberate use of 44 gallon drums of jellied petrol, with incendiaries lashed to them, and instead attributed the firestorm below to the fact that the city was largely constructed of tinder dry wood.

    Back in 1957, I had a 6th grade teacher at Hartwell State school, Mr. Jock McXXXX, who had been a navigator on a Lancaster bomber and who took part in many raids over Germany before being shot down and spending the last year of the war in a POW camp -Where he said the Germans were thorough gentlemen, who actually shared rations with them equally as food became scarce.

    He described what was in the 44 gallon drums as "jellied" petrol, and said these were dropped each with a number of incendiary bombs and one high explosive small bomb strapped to them. The explosive bomb to blast sticky jellied petrol onto everything in sight; the incendiaries to get the fires going.

    This confirms that the murder of so many thousands of civilians was the deliberate act of British Bomber Command. Papers recently released indicate that Churchill himself was the architect of these War Crimes, and that vile, fat old turd, at war's end. should have been swinging from a lamp post, kicking his stumpy little legs about, with his cigar rammed up his rotten old arse, not being feted by the world.

    Regards,
    Mike Hodgson.


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    Post Re: AW: Dresden-Paying our respects.

    Estimated deaths of the blits are around 60,000
    Deaths for Dressden are 400,000 a terget that had no millitary signifigance what so ever, however i do not blame the Brittish piolts for every white man lost in that struggle was a tradgedy and i cannot imagine the propaghanda stuffed into thier heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White_Eagle
    Does the saying "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" mean anything?

    The killing of innocent civilians is abhorrent. But, surely we must not forget the horrific crimes inflicted on the civilain population by the Germans? Surely these crimes far outweighed the bombings of German cities?.....
    That's Osama Bin Laden's reasoning: Since your army killed some of my civilians, I get to kill your civilians whenever and however and as freely as I wish. In that scenario, no one is 'civilized'. It takes guts, and willingness to sacrifice one's self and one's country, to follow an absolute standard. Recently (historically speaking), civilians have been killed by armed gunmen, bombers, and sword-wielders; I do not believe 'civilized' nations should reply in kind; if my worst, most dangerous enemy kills civilians around me, I still say that we should not respond by killing their children. That's bestial.

    "Never forget" is a cliche. Decades after World War II, what most people "remember" is what other people have written. To know what happened requires research into primary records. That is difficult, because the propaganda on all sides paints the picture first white, then black; reams of reading and years of consideration will eventually result in the truth -- grayness on all sides -- each side part good and part evil.

    Is mercy a merely Christian virtue, or is it an inherently human characteristic? Is compassion an Islamic monopoly, or can non-Muslims show compassions to Non-Combatants? If we punished civilians for the crimes of their political and military leaders, no one would be left!

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Paladin
    Allied Terror was the only appropriate answer to German Aggression.

    I am sure Hitler had in mind German Civilian casualties before he decided to imbark on his plans of European Conquest. The German people for going along with Hitler only paid a "Fair" Price for their ambitions to be the Masters of Europe.

    Those Extreme measures were necceary to take Hasten the End of WWII. And get people to feel a repugance for War.
    What a plan for peace! Murder civilians so they won't like war. Then there will be peace. With whom shall we begin? Who will volunteer to murder civilians in the name of peace? Aren't there some kind of international laws about that? Or do those laws not apply to the last one committing the crime, to the 'winners' of this bizarre and bloody contest?

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    Re: The Blitz. Who really started it?

    My reply to the initial question is the following:

    -WW II started in 1918, namely due to the unfair treaty of Versailles.
    -WW II started due to an imperialistic game of the English and french politicians, affraid of the ressurgence of the German nation.
    -WW II started in 1938 when Judea declared war on Germany as stated in a well know newspaper.
    -WW II started when Poland refused to deliver Dantzig city to its original owners.
    -WW II started when Germany and USSR declared war to Poland and France and Great Britain only (incredible or not so much) declared war to Germany alone and not to USSR.
    - WW II started when the USA started helping GB and USSR long before entering officialy in the war in 1942.

    There aren't a nation guilty of starting the war, but a number of circusntances with behind the scenes actors...

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    March in Dresden on 16.02.2008

    Funeral march on Saturday, 16-02-2008 in Dresden


    Beginning 13:00 Hrs behind the Semperoper
    To commemorate the victims of the allies' terror bombing of February 1945


    Like in the previous years, the Junge Landsmannschaft Osdeutschland e.V., will organize a Funeral march, on 16-02-2008 in Dresden, in memory of the victims of the allies’ terror bombing.

    We expect more than 5000 of our members to attend this ceremony. We are the youth generation of the expatriates from the eastern German territories. We are interested in politics and history and we love Germany. We ask all people who are interested to join and march with us on 16th February 2008 in Dresden.

    We want to honour the victims of the bomb raids of February 13th and 14th 1945 and pay our last respect to them. Since the invasion of the red army in the eastern areas of Germany, the population of Dresden had doubled, with refugees from Pomerania, Silesia, east and west Prussia, up to 1.2, million people. Dresden was used as the main meeting point. For us Dresden is the showcase of a policy of destruction against eastern Germany.
    With mass murder and unprecedented destruction of a culture, a piece of Germany was erased. But destruction is only definitive if the memory has faded out. So we will not stop reminding people of the millions of victims of the terror against the German civilian population. The death of innocent German people on a massive scale, and the destruction of German culture can be fully recognized here - in Dresden. We should remember the destiny of those millions Germans. The end of the war was no liberation for them. Therefore, we demand over and over again: “Make February 13th an official commemoration day for the Federal Republic!"

    Senseless destruction and unnamed mass murder hit almost every town in Germany. An official ideology that hides unsavoury truths is the base for recurring catastrophes. Only the complete truth creates a fair and long-lasting peace. Such a peace is the basis for the self-confidence of a nation. Grief cannot be changed. But the permanent and one-sided contempt for the victims is wrong. It was a war crime to bring a town down to rubbles and ashes, a town that was without any air protection measures and defenceless, which was overfilled with refugees. And these war crimes have been left unpunished to this day. On the contrary, today German politicians approve those war crimes as a necessity. This cannot be in the interest of the German people. Today they send German soldiers in wars which are made in the name of democracy and freedom. Will German soldiers have to stand in front of a real people's court tomorrow? The dead people of Dresden and of all the other German towns do not ask for revenge, of course this is not the way of the Germans. They demand truth, justice and to honour their memory, so that, to us and our descendants, a similar destiny will not be repeated.

    So come to Dresden and take part in the funeral procession of the JLO.
    Saturday, 16-2-2008, Beginning 13:00 Hrs behind the Semperoper (near the theatre square). You find more information here: www.jlosachsen.de (Also about the demonstrations of the previous years).

    To correct misleading reports which are spread by newspaper, radio, teletext and Internet, every year we give the following tip: The city of Dresden has not forbidden the demonstration! There will be, as well as for the previous years, a ban (general ban) which applies to all demonstrations in the city area. The place before the Semperoper will probably be included, but not the place behind the opera!!! So nothing will be in way of a peaceful, regular demonstration.

    Junge Landsmannschaft Ostdeutschland e.V.
    Landesverband Sachsen-Niederschlesien
    PF 500208, 01032 Dresden
    www.jlosachsen.de
    Tel: 0174 - 463 22 88, 0173 - 95 55 980, 0163 - 444 11 44
    Bus coordination: 01 78 - 464 35 27

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    We should never forget Dresden. i remember when i was a kid and first saw the pictures of the Dresden on fire as well as the aftermath.i dont think ive ever cried that hard.i knew evan at the age of 14 that evan though i didnt grow up in the Fatherland, i knew these men, women and children were my folk, my blood. makes me sick to this day to see pictures of bombed out Dresden. DEUTSCHLAND Über ALLES!!!!!!!!

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    Dresden, we hear , is still very much alive!

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    Dresden... very much a symbol for the downright atrocious nature of modern warfare. I have seen the pictures and they horrified me even more then the pictures of a burning Rotterdam.

    I don't know whether I'll be able to attend the march but I do think that Germans and other Europeans (where possible) should attend the march despite of their political colours as a rememberance to all those that fell because of terror bombing (and that includes the German ones on Britain and Warsaw or Rotterdam) and as a protest to the existence of that primitive thing: war.

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    To the victors go the honour of writing the history books, the Germans don't tend to honour their war dead because of the "guilt" they are supposed to feel for the war. Nobody sees Soviet "guilt" for their actions or indeed British and American "guilt". Many of the British bomber crews questioned the morality of Dresden and the attacks on other German cities.

    I think the time has long past to point fingers, the Second World War was the second of two pointless conflicts, but the time has come for the German people to honour their war dead with as much dignity as we do ours.
    Wita sceal geþyldig, ne sceal no to hatheort ne to hrædwyrde, ne to wac wiga ne to wanhydig, ne to forht ne to fægen, ne to feohgifre ne næfre gielpes to georn, ær he geare cunne. Beorn sceal gebidan, þonne he beot spriceð, oþþæt collenferð cunne gearwe hwider hreþra gehygd hweorfan wille.

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