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    @Kungen av Norden: You are quite right about Japan. While political parties may come and go, Japan will still be Japan so long as the emperor is in possession of the Three Sacred Treasures. Really, Japan wouldn't even be Japan without an Emperor, whom they believe is a semi-divine conduit to Heaven/ The Sun.

    Also, Japan, unlike the West, has always placed supreme importance on the group, and not the individual. Their societal structure has not changed markedly for over 1,300 years, nor will it ever.

    National Socialism was the product of a very specific set of cultural and economic circumstances. It is not, as you have correctly pointed out, able to adapt itself to other environs like Communism can because of its cultural specificity. National Socialism is, in effect, a museum piece of political showmanship, fit only for newsreels and political science classrooms.
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    Exactly.

    I do agree with some parts of the NS ideology, but not all of it. And no, it's not an ideology that can be adapted to any other place and time than Germany in the 1930s. If I had my way, I would salvage the useful parts of NS and leave the rest on the proverbial "trash heap of history".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kungen av Norden
    No, it's not. Japan is a traditionalist society where everything is organized into a rigid top-down hierarchy (it's not even a democracy, even though it's convenient for the West to call them that). An aristocratic ruling class makes the political decisions, owns the corporations and is responsible for the whole nation's welfare. This is how Japan has always been, and will always be.
    You described the ideal national-socialist state, yet you claim this:

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    It has nothing to do with Hitler's movement in the 1930s.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kungen av Norden
    Social democracy, you mean.

    What you're doing now is streching to definition of NS so far that it becomes vague and pointless.
    Then what do you think is NS? Please explain.

    Apart from the Führer, Scandinavia was, and partly still is (state bank f.e., forced sterilization of retards etc) national-socialist. That your current political traitors wish to redefine both terms and indeed undermine this policy, and did already change a lot, doesnt change that it once was very much NS policy implemented.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kungen av Norden
    NS is bound to a specific place and time. It's an ultra-nationalist German ideology, and by default bound to a nation. During WW2, all the Axis countries had their own homegrown form of fascism (Germany's emphasized race, Italy's emphasize the state, Romania's emphasized religion).
    While your textbook will claim that NS Germany was "fascist", this was not the case. NS, back then, did have some elements of fascism, or rather it emulated some aspects, mainly because the methods offered solution to some practical problems. These elements though are not essential to NS.

    And the ideology is by no means bound to a 30s Germany. Its implementation was (democracy looked different in Greek too, y'know), the ideology is timeless though and can easily be adjusted to modern times (and also with minor adaptions to many folks), as far as this desireable, since it is a contra-concept to this quite fucked up modern world and is after all meant to combat some of its wrongs.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kungen av Norden
    It's not an internationalist ideology, like Communism, which can be applied anywhere.
    The difference is indeed that NS is a rather inward directed ideology for one (but almost any) nation, while Communism is just another way of the Globalists on the road to a One World Government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    National Socialism was the product of a very specific set of cultural and economic circumstances. It is not, as you have correctly pointed out, able to adapt itself to other environs like Communism can because of its cultural specificity. National Socialism is, in effect, a museum piece of political showmanship, fit only for newsreels and political science classrooms.
    The physical forms it took then would certainly look strange, even ridiculous, today, but you have to bear in mind that back then even the postman carried a dark uniform with shiny buttons and, at solemn occasions, a sword to that. Not to mention that he would have worked in an almost military hierarchy. Today—in this post-imperial and mundane world of the lounge suit, the flat organization and the Power Point-presentation—we would of course do things differently.

    That is why I put down 'Blut und Boden' as my ideology and not NSDAP or anything similar. 1930s Nazism is about as relevant today as 1930s Conservatism; not irrelevant by any means, but perhaps not in a form fit for direct emulation. Social mores have changed; some for the better, some for the worse.

    But still we cannot shake the fact that those uniforms and organizations were as much a means to an end as an expression of the underlying spirit. They were, as I see it, a direct attempt to fuse and transform the German nation into a more homogeneous but still organic form. But, then again, the times have changed and today—when we are facing—Negroes, Arabs, Gypsies and only the gods know what, the need for uniforms should be somewhat reduced.

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    Neo-Nazis, skinheads ARE
    21st century Nazis who have an understanding of the National Socialist principles are the backbone of Nationalism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    As far as your list goes, Duckelf, there are some illustrious names on it but few of them could really be construed as groundbreaking historical figures. For example, Martel and Nelson were very successful in a military sense and both worthy of admiration, but Nelson's fame and glory is pretty much limited to Britain. He doesn't have the global status of Adolf Hitler and there will never be millions of "Neo-Nelsons" out there using him as their inspiration.
    Hitler has a reputation over the world as an evil man. Any person of our movement who thinks that Hitler is the example to follow will very likely more of a detriment to us than anything else.

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    Franco? A huge disappointment! Just your average Latin dictator and South America was full of them at the time.
    He stopped communism in Spain and therefore was extremely influential in stopping it in the rest of Western Europe.

    Hitler's foolish military leadership led to communism in all of Eastern Europe, right up into Germany too.

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    Sobieski? No, this doesn't ring any bells at all with me
    A military leader at the Gates of Vienna.

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    You will have to be more specific in regards to "foolish military leadership". The role that Hitler played in the "failures" of the German war effort during the latter half of WW2 are still open to debate. There's no doubt that as the war went on, Hitler became increasingly erratic and unrealistic in his expectations, but at the same time, he did seem to be surrounded by some people who were ever more untrustworthy and concerned about their own personal fates than a successful prosecution of the war. Moreover, after the war, many of the top German military leaders published books that conveniently placed the blame for the defeat primarily on Hitler.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duckelf View Post
    Hitler's foolish military leadership led to communism in all of Eastern Europe, right up into Germany too.

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    Not necessarily. A war with the Soviets was inevitable, and there was always the concern that the Soviets would strike first. I think the main problem was when Germany would really have been prepared for total war. It wasn't 1939. The reactions of Britain and France to the war with Poland was perhaps unexpected, and this forced Hitler to change his course of action. It became a matter of how long the Soviets could be allowed to build up their own forces and prepare their industries for war. Trying to take out the Soviets as soon as possible and with as much destructive force that the Wehrmacht could inflict was militarily speaking the logical thing to do.


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    The decision to invade Russia and start a war on two fronts was moronic.

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    Sadly have to say yes. People who cling to Hitler and Third Reich slogans and symbols, are just helping to dig our grave deeper and deeper.
    It's almost like religious fanatics, expecting the "second coming" of Hitler.
    If people want to popularise the ideals of nazism, it will have to be differently packaged. Neonazism is regressive.

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    I support many ideals and policies of the historical natsocs and fascists but "neo-Nazis" are a detriment. Even if they are not perfect, Marine Le Pen and Geert Wilders have done more to advance patriotic, nationalist, and uncucked conservative politics by dropping the "nazi" rhetoric and image. Realpolitik is all about pragmatism, not ideological purity signalling.

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