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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckelf View Post
    I am naming men who did something in history, great men who shaped it and changed our history forever.

    What did Mosley do rather than just say which is so important?
    The BUF.


    He and his generals defeated communism in Spain and dealt the reds a vicious blow that would help keep them out of Western Europe.
    Well, to be honest, he had a little help from the Luftwaffe, didn't he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    The BUF.
    The BUF did nothing of note. There were a failed movement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Well, to be honest, he had a little help from the Luftwaffe, didn't he?
    True. That doesn't make Hitler a great man, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckelf View Post
    The BUF did nothing of note. There were a failed movement.
    Failed? More like sabotaged by a warmongering Churchill.


    True. That doesn't make Hitler a great man, though.
    I wasn't referring to Hitler, but Franco, whom Hitler helped put into power through the aid of the Luftwaffe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Failed? More like sabotaged by a warmongering Churchill.
    His movement would not have got anywhere regardless of what Churchill did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    I wasn't referring to Hitler, but Franco, whom Hitler helped put into power through the aid of the Luftwaffe.
    Yes, I know you were. What I was saying is that Hitler helping the Nationalists does not mean that he was a great man.

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    No the average under 45 Neo Nazi is not representative of even 5% of white nationalists.

    There are many white, smart Nazi types who work for fortune 500 companies and sit right next to the Jewish multiculturalist and his feminist whore. It isn't all black and white in respect to racialists. There's numerous minorities who are friends to the white racialist in this world and sympathize with his sentiments because his people are in bondage far worse than that of the white.

    These characters tend not to be 'purists' though. They have tendrils to other factions be they religious, ideological, or economic. Yet they are white racialists all the same. Many are super liberal and or neo-left.

    For instance: From the Supreme Master himself.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckelf View Post
    His movement would not have got anywhere regardless of what Churchill did.
    If it was destined for failure, as you say, why then did so many work so hard to marginalize Mosley, both before and after the war? Also, how do you explain Mosley being able to draw 10K listeners to his 1934 Albert Hall speech?


    Yes, I know you were. What I was saying is that Hitler helping the Nationalists does not mean that he was a great man.
    I believe Hitler was a great man in that he, by force of his own will, turned himself from anonymous veteran into a world leader in a mere fifteen years time. That I am no admirer of his political philosophy is certain, but one can not help but to admire his strength of will, which must have been considerable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew Skannon View Post
    Before we can discuss this you will have to explain to me what neo nazis are. I try to understand what they are from reading the newspaper, but there it seems any dissident is a neo nazi. I am sure I don't know any neo nazis.
    To me neo-nazi = skinhead, basically an aggressive nationalist/racist thug who may or may not have a noble motivation. I agree with many on this board who have pointed out that many of them are not very knowledgeable and are often unnecessarily and erratically violent, however, I personally think that they are an important part of the nationalist movement. They are the foot soldiers, as a great writer once said: "theirs is not to question why, theirs is but to do and die". Most are just misguided youth in need of direction and a sensible target for their aggression.

    After all, it is one thing to go on to an internet forum like this and attack our enemies from the safety of our living rooms, but it is another thing quite entirely to confront the enemy face-to-face in the streets when what basically amounts to the weight of the entire world (government, media, brainwashed citizens) is standing against you. Each action plays an important role in the big scheme of things, but I think we are kidding ourselves if we think we can accomplish a resurrection of nationalism without somehow including them.

    Perhaps it is just a matter of "re-branding", to use a marketing term...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckelf View Post
    The BUF did nothing of note. There were a failed movement.
    BUF did the same mistake as Vidkun Quisling, they imported the german revolution without modification or any adaptation. Brits, Norwegians and Germans are different people with different traditions. Military parades and uniforms don't fly well in a country like Norway and the focus of the norwegian people are different from a major nations like Germany and Britain.

    This is still one of the reallly great political speeches in modern history though.

    The true revolutionary

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    Oswald Moseley was a great man but he was fighting against the whole British liberal establishment that ultimately suppressed his movement.

    However, he was in a totally different class to the Jewish-financed drunkard, Winston Churchill, the man who "won" Britain a war but lost her an empire ... great! Moseley believed in an ideology and actually had a vision for Britain (whether you agree with it or not) whereas Churchill was merely a political opportunist who kept changing parties - he couldn't even decide if he was a Liberal or a Conservative, FFS

    Here are just a few: Charles Martel, Charlemagne, Sobieski, Admiral Nelson, Francisco Franco, etc.
    As far as your list goes, Duckelf, there are some illustrious names on it but few of them could really be construed as groundbreaking historical figures. For example, Martel and Nelson were very successful in a military sense and both worthy of admiration, but Nelson's fame and glory is pretty much limited to Britain. He doesn't have the global status of Adolf Hitler and there will never be millions of "Neo-Nelsons" out there using him as their inspiration.

    Franco? A huge disappointment! Just your average Latin dictator and South America was full of them at the time.

    Sobieski? No, this doesn't ring any bells at all with me

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Empirical proof tells us otherwise. Japan is national-socialist,
    No, it's not. Japan is a traditionalist society where everything is organized into a rigid top-down hierarchy (it's not even a democracy, even though it's convenient for the West to call them that). An aristocratic ruling class makes the political decisions, owns the corporations and is responsible for the whole nation's welfare. This is how Japan has always been, and will always be.

    It has nothing to do with Hitler's movement in the 1930s.

    Russia is full of NS-groups with a lot of support,
    Yes, you're right on that one.

    and until the late 70s early/ 80s, breaking down only in the wake of the end of the Cold War, Scandinavia was national-socialist too.
    Social democracy, you mean.

    What you're doing now is streching to definition of NS so far that it becomes vague and pointless.

    And NS, while it may be a result of the developments of that time, is not time-bound.
    NS is bound to a specific place and time. It's an ultra-nationalist German ideology, and by default bound to a nation. During WW2, all the Axis countries had their own homegrown form of fascism (Germany's emphasized race, Italy's emphasize the state, Romania's emphasized religion).

    It's not an internationalist ideology, like Communism, which can be applied anywhere.

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