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    Witta,

    It seems like you are asking this question simply to be provocative in stead of creating an interesting debate about the modern nationalist movement and how it can improve. Therefor I am interested in what you mean by "neo-nazis". Literally the term refers to present day nationalsocialists, nothing more. Yet your description of them is not a description of the nationalsocialists of our time, but a description of a specific plebeian youth culture. This puts me in an position in which I am unable to answer your question, because your question is about nationalsocialists and your post about a degenerated group of youths.
    Personally I think nationalsocialism does not have much chance of revival in its traditional form. Yet nationalsocialist ideals can be realized via other ways. Philosophically one could argue for a more heracleitean view of the world and its societies, without even referring to nationalsocialist ideals. Morally the aristocratic ideal hasn't been completely destroyed yet; Nietzsche still counts as a great philosopher. And scientifically race and genetics seem to become an interesting topic again because of the research of Philippe Rushton and the like.
    The ideology which goes by the name of nationalsocialism can still inspire many nationalists in their goal of doing something for their people. So no, neo-nazis are not the bane of nationalism. But youth-groups who try to justify their degenerate behaviour with nationalsocialist ideology are a problem, to both nationalism and nationalsocialism. But these kind of people will always remain part of society. The Left has them as well. We can at least be glad that they are on our side. Momentarily they don't do us any good, I agree. To solve this problem they need leaders who will inspire and discipline them so they can be benificient to our cause. Without a good folkish elite nationalism will never gain a foothold in our society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witta View Post
    Do you agree with this statement?

    In my experience they represent either the bottom end of the intelligence scale or the youth wing, they have no concept of being out of their depth or when to shut up, and they discredit everything nationalists are trying to say. There are more documentaries made about Neo-Nazis than any other form of nationalist, because liberal documentary makers know they make nationalism look bad.
    This seems to me to be a very narrow definition of what a "neo-Nazi" is or supposed to be. Real National Socialism is much more than just skinheads and their subculture. I could not agree with such a narrow blanket definition as the one given above or say that such persons identified as "neo-Nazi" under this definition are automatically and ipso facto a liability to Germanic nationalism and preservation. To me Germanic nationalism and preservation must necessarily cover an immensely broad spectrum of people, and to a very large extent be inclusive of racially and ideologically acceptable people, even if we don't like their appearance or the way they behave on occasion. Germanic nationalism and preservation is much wider and deeper than skinheads parading themselves around town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thusnelda View Post
    The most ludicrous nationalists and "rightwing parties" are the organizations and parties whose leading members fly to Israel to prove their "Israel-friendliness" for the political mainstream and ask for blessing through Israeli politicians. Some "nationalists" are so keen to show their sympathy for Israel that they forget and neglect the real problems in their respective home countries, like "Our country goes down and we have no real answers, but at least we had a meeting with Israeli politicians and had a visit at Yad Vashem!"
    Indeed. They compromise themselves into utter uselessness. What's ironic is that they have to whore themselves out even more to gain acceptance by the jew-dominated media and banking interests.

    This is all a propaganda battle, and until we have control of the media, the enemy will portray us in any way they please. I think it is simply amoral to concentrate upon conforming to a system which is the problem in the first place, to the end that we become our own enemies.

    I find it ironic also that the current propaganda masters point to Dr. Goebbels whenever the word "propaganda" comes up, because all he did was attempt to make the German people feel good about themselves by promoting a pro-German media. Of course to the jew, this is evil... and what Edward Bernays (author and inventor of Propaganda) did, in defaming Germany and Germans to the American public in 1917, was perfectly good. To the jew, inciting fratricidal wars among Germanic people will always be defined as "good." Now is it any wonder why these media masters were the very inspiration for Hitler's antisemitism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thusnelda View Post
    The most ludicrous nationalists and "rightwing parties" are the organizations and parties whose leading members fly to Israel to prove their "Israel-friendliness" for the political mainstream and ask for blessing through Israeli politicians. Some "nationalists" are so keen to show their sympathy for Israel that they forget and neglect the real problems in their respective home countries, like "Our country goes down and we have no real answers, but at least we had a meeting with Israeli politicians and had a visit at Yad Vashem!"
    You nailed it here, Thusnelda. Good one!

    It is the pseudo-nationalists that pander to Jewish interests that are the real bane of nationalism and who disilluion in short order those who could become true nationalists and preservationists.

    Here's an illustration. I still can't get over the 'good nationalist' Wilders doing and saying this:

    http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/wi...nnex-west-bank
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    They could be useful but they lack direction, leadership and discipline. The former being quite an ironic thing to lack as they idolize one of the most disciplined armies and movements that ever existed.

    They serve a purpose, they just don't know what that purpose is or how to exactly serve it, yet.
    I grew up on a belief of honour, courage and the old world values. The world isn't about that anymore, preferring to die a slow death of fast food and cheap thrills.

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    What you see in the media is not a positive representation of Germanic interest, and there are those who thrive on that, they want to scare and at the same time want to be outcast. They are ignorant and don't realize they are degrading themselves and the culture by being involved in various "neo-Nazi" groups. There's a certain way you should carry yourself, and if you align yourself with a group of people and feel superior in some sense, at least carry yourself with some dignity.

    I've come across many racists who were completely mindless, and when I'd talk about various figures in the white nationalist and/or white power movement they had no clue who I was talking about, they were just racists for the sake of being racist. This isn't how you want to be portrayed. Whether you are some neo-Nazi or just a blatant racist, don't be some trash who in itself is on the same plane as the people they hate so much.

    If you feel like like the culture of Europeans and people of European descent is superior, act like it and show it. Don't fall into some pathetic subculture that itself is disregarded as ignorant and trash.

    I'd highly doubt that Richard Wagner would praise some racist "neo-Nazi" in prison with swastikas tattooed on him, or some belligerent "redneck" waving Confederate flags who probably has never read a thought stimulating book since high school. Those are people no one wants to emulate (who has any sense), and I'm not sure what they are trying to emulate. It's just a nuisance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    They could be useful but they lack direction, leadership and discipline. The former being quite an ironic thing to lack as they idolize one of the most disciplined armies and movements that ever existed.

    They serve a purpose, they just don't know what that purpose is or how to exactly serve it, yet.
    That's true. They do need leadership, real leadership, discipline and organisation, and purpose and direction. The will is there but not the way to channel and use it. They need a proper sense of direction and purpose that comes from robust leadership and they need to come to see that nationalism is more than just a nilhilistic exercise against existing racial, cultural, and social conditions and that change is not only desirable, but possible and achievable.
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    They don't dress funny and call foreigners names for kicks, do the? No. They have a clear purpose and I respect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    They could be useful but they lack direction, leadership and discipline. The former being quite an ironic thing to lack as they idolize one of the most disciplined armies and movements that ever existed.
    I always thought it would be interesting to see a smart person take charge of a neo nazi group and do good for a community. Like help people out, clean up the streets. Maybe do good things for the environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorolf
    I always thought it would be interesting to see a smart person take charge of a neo nazi group and do good for a community. Like help people out, clean up the streets. Maybe do good things for the environment.
    The problem is that there are quite some smart people at the top level of these groups. Unfortunately, they - for the most part at least - use their smartness to play "Führer" and live out their narcissistic megalomania. They enjoy themselves on parties and marches decorated with swastika flags and marching through cities shouting Sieg Heil. While they manage to make themselves a sort of "Führer incarnate" within their group (and creating by concurrenting such figures rather a hostile relation to other groups instead of pulling things together in the same direction), their useful political activism is rather low though, and even if they would take better care of that, they would still spoil it through their self-presentation.

    Same basically for the NPD. Instead of modernising National Socialism and represent solutions for today's world, they prefer to march with their original Third Reich uniforms with 30s hair cut style through towns. Even to those who wouldnt really object to NS-style politics, they manage to be repelling instead of appealing, because basically they represent a reconstruction movement of something that never existed in that form in the first place, but is a highly idealised and at the same time rather hollowed out version of NS that centers more around its outer appearances than around its true values.
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