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    Classify Lawrence Dallaglio

    Former England rugby player, born in London to an Italian father and half-English, half-Irish mother.








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    I do not follow rugby much, so the first time I came across Dallaglio was during an appearance on Top Gear. I remember being shocked when he stated that his father is Italian, as his appearance is, to me, quite English.

    Oh yes, and this is a bump.

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    He looks indeed very English to me.

    As a rough guess I'd say pred. Anglo-Saxon for now. I'll elaborate on this tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loyalist View Post
    I do not follow rugby much, so the first time I came across Dallaglio was during an appearance on Top Gear. I remember being shocked when he stated that his father is Italian, as his appearance is, to me, quite English.

    Oh yes, and this is a bump.
    Yes, was I stunned myself, I never saw him before I entered this thread, and before I clicked the link I expected to see a dark, gracile Mediterranid type

    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    He looks indeed very English to me.

    As a rough guess I'd say pred. Anglo-Saxon for now. I'll elaborate on this tomorrow.
    I agree that there is a strong Anglo-Saxon element, but I believe there is a CM influence there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest King View Post
    I agree that there is a strong Anglo-Saxon element, but I believe there is a CM influence there too.
    Well, Anglo-Saxon is by definition a type which holds a Nordid and a CM component.

    Lawrence Dallaglio is of course overwhelmingly CM. Almost all those rugby types are and for good reason. There is some Nordid admix. though i think. But to say Anglo-Saxon is a stretch imo.

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    He looks to be half Irish and half English himself. I keep looking, without luck, to see any Alpinid or other possible marks of a northern Italian, but he just looks like a Brünn with some Anglo-Saxon mixed in. The only Italians I have seen who resemble him in any way are the ancient Romans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorrit View Post
    Well, Anglo-Saxon is by definition a type which holds a Nordid and a CM component.

    Lawrence Dallaglio is of course overwhelmingly CM. Almost all those rugby types are and for good reason. There is some Nordid admix. though i think. But to say Anglo-Saxon is a stretch imo.
    To be honest if going by the SNPA description he seems to fit it perfectly.

    The general impression of this tall, broad-shouldered and characteristically blond type is that of an overgrown Hallstatt Nordid, with a larger head and face, as well as hands and feet of somewhat greater dimensions. The face is long, with a marked skeletal relief which gives it a somewhat rugged and angular appearance. The nose is large, very leptorrhine, and usually straight, with a convex minority. The lips, like those of the Hallstatt Nordid, are rather thin.

    The Anglo-Saxon type is over-all mesocephalic, with a minor tendency towards brachycephaly, possibly reflecting a measure of round-headedness in the Cro-Magnid strain(s). The forehead is high and the browridges heavy, and the jaw is prominent. Whereas typically Cro-Magnid features are visible, the general impression is of a larger, more robust Nordid (Hallstatt, rather than the more numerous Insular Keltic variety).
    He might be leaning more towards his CM side than normal for that type, although I'm not so sure of that, but I wouldn't call him overwhelmingly CM.
    This might be a better representation as he seems to have been younger here:


    What exact type have you been thinking of?

    He reminds me a bit of Vinnie Jones although the similarity might not be that striking and I refrain from calling Jones Anglo-Saxon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    To be honest if going by the SNPA description he seems to fit it perfectly.

    He might be leaning more towards his CM side than normal for that type, although I'm not so sure of that, but I wouldn't call him overwhelmingly CM.

    What exact type have you been thinking of?
    The examples in the SNPA gallery don't display such archaïc features as him in my opinion. They are more intermediate types as Anglo-Saxons should be. Notice especially the deepset eyes in Dallaglio, they together with a very robust morphology make him clearly predominantly CM imo.

    Especially this part of the description says it pretty much i believe:

    Whereas typically Cro-Magnid features are visible, the general impression is of a larger, more robust Nordid
    I do see Nordid influence in the somewhat elongated midfacial area and leptorrhine nose, but don't think that makes for a somewhat equal mix of the two types.

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    The younger pic put me in mind of another Italian who looks somewhat like him, Fabio Lanzoni, the romance novel cover boy.



    And Brünn was suggested in his case as well, with other elements mixed in...

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=2693

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