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    Post Alpinids and Borrebies

    I'm experiencing difficulties distinguishing these two types from one another, probably because of my limited anthropological knowledge. Could some of you please help me out, and perhaps provide some pictures to outline the basic differences between the two types? I'd greatly appreciate it.

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    Post Re: Alpinids and Borrebies

    To my limited knowledge... Borreby is very tall and depigmented.

    I don't know too much about Alpines, all i really do know is that they can be kind of darker skinned (like a tan, for example) and are generally medium build/stature... And i'm not even sure if those are 100% right, so i'm sorry i can't be too much help.
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    Post Re: Alpinids and Borrebies

    Borreby:
    square face
    taller
    long arms
    light pigmentation
    heavier musculature

    Alpine:
    round face
    moderate stature
    short arms
    darker
    more lightly built

    These are the easiest diffrences to perceive.

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    Post Re: Alpinids and Borrebies

    Borreby has a "square head", is larger and more de-pigmented. Alpines are shorter and less angular in the head. Some say Alpines are reduced Borrebys.

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    Post Re: Alpinids and Borrebies

    In its most primitive form, the Neolithic Alpine surprises by having the lowest basion-bregmatic height of the entire West European Neolithic, relatively broad skull comparable to the Dinaroid Beaker folk of the Rhineland(with its infusion of scarse Borreby elements) but in lenght exceeding every Beaker group, the glabella is prominent and the forehead receding, Houzé dared even to regard them as a Neanderthal survival in the Mosan region of present-day Belgium and spoke of a Spy-La Naulette race.

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    Post Re: Alpinids and Borrebies

    Quote Originally Posted by nordic_canadian_male
    Borreby:
    square face
    taller
    long arms
    light pigmentation
    heavier musculature

    Alpine:
    round face
    moderate stature
    short arms
    darker
    more lightly built

    These are the easiest diffrences to perceive.
    Right, but the main criterion is head size. Borrebies have a larger head even if the Alpine and the Borreby are the same height.

    The difference is similar to the Mediterranean compared to the Nordic. Which is strange to me that some people want to call everything Alpinoid, but then have a dozen different Nordic types.

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    Post Re: Alpinids and Borrebies

    The Borreby skull was short headed. What some nowadays call Borreby in Northern Europe is usually sub-brachycephalic while Alpinid should be clearly brachycephalic. Borreby is as you said more depigmented, taller, and bigger in all dimensions. Nyessen included Nordid up to 82 (80 on crania) of the living. There are different ideas about the origin of Borreby but to me the Borreby in Denmark, NW Germany and N Netherlands, is basically Nordid. It is obviously not a Corded-Danubian type but Nordid is also a convention and in the minds of most commoners whom I know Borreby is Nordid. Maybe extreme Borreby look quite un-Nordid but at least Nordid altered by Borreby which is common in Northern Netherlands and maybe elsewhere in the Low countries is considered Nordid.

    To illustrate my point I will attach Rosita Runegrund, a Swedish woman. I'm pretty sure that no Swede would consider her anything but Nordid. Compare her with Audrey Tautou, an Alpinid,
    http://www.askmen.com/women/actress_...ey_tautou.html
    Last edited by Oswiu; Thursday, July 6th, 2006 at 11:58 PM.

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    Post Re: Alpinids and Borrebies

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff
    Borreby has a "square head", is larger and more de-pigmented. Alpines are shorter and less angular in the head. Some say Alpines are reduced Borrebys.
    The square headed Borreby can be compared to a more robust version of the Osteuropid. In the Borreby, and in the true Osteuropids, the brachycephalic element is contributed by the Alpine lineage. (An Osteuropid-like type appared in the Danube region later after hybridisation with Neomongoloids, who are also brachycephalic.)

    The Nordic contribution into the Borreby type would have been from a robust type related to Nordics, explaining the differences we see between the Borreby and the Osteuropid types.

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    Post Re: Alpinids and Borrebies

    Are these good examples of Borreby facial traits?
    http://www.barnallergiaret.nu/pressr...t/aaf00061.jpg
    (Sweden)
    http://members.chello.at/h3llbring0r...przedaz094.jpg
    (Poland)
    http://media.de.indymedia.org/images/2002/08/28330.jpg
    (Germany)

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    The square headed Borreby can be compared to a more robust version of the Osteuropid. In the Borreby, and in the true Osteuropids, the brachycephalic element is contributed by the Alpine lineage. (An Osteuropid-like type appared in the Danube region later after hybridisation with Neomongoloids, who are also brachycephalic.)
    Why are they more often long-headed then like the Brünns, while the Alpines, from whom they descended in your opinion, are not? Many speak of seperated Cro-Magnon lineage and afterward brachycephalization in this context. Also, I don't see that so labeled 'UPs' descend from Neo-Mongoloids (= Northern Mongoloids ). That would mean all Non-Neolithics are post-Mongoloids.

    What are these people from Yemen?
    http://img2.imgspot.com/u/04/185/01/yemen.jpg
    Recent relationship of South Germans and French ?

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    It's exaggeration calling the Alpines/Subnordics of today round-headed. Their heads' shapes are oval.

    Square-headed pigmented South German:
    http://www.ystart.net/upload/20040616/1087359766.jpg

    Round-headed light North German:
    http://www.ystart.net/upload/20040616/1087351074.jpg

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    Post Re: Alpinids and Borrebies

    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth
    Many speak of seperated Cro-Magnon lineage and afterward brachycephalization in this context.
    I think the brachycephalisation is from an Alpine element, mixing with such a robust type, rather than independent in the Borreby type.

    Also, I don't see that so labeled 'UPs' descend from Neo-Mongoloids (= Northern Mongoloids ). That would mean all Non-Neolithics are post-Mongoloids.
    Actually the Neomongoloids only appear in the Neolithic themselves, but in Hungary the appearence of an Osteuropid-like type occured after the arrival of Neomongoloids among Nordics. I mentioned this to show how brachycephalic admixture can produce an Osteuropid-like type from a Nordic population.

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