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    The 13th ϟϟ Division "Handschar" and the Indian Legion of the Wehrmacht

    Did you now? That the Wehrmacht was the most multicultural Army in the world? Europeans of different countries, Asians, Africans ... all they have fought for Germany.


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    The Arab Legion of the Wehrmacht in Northafrica "Freies Arabien"

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    A TRIBUTE FOR THE FREIES ARABIEN & FOR THE KODAT & FOR THE ARABIC FALLSCHIRMJAGER



    The Indian Legion of the Wehrmacht in Northafrica "Freies Indien"

    For Free India - The Free Indian Legion


    Legion Freies Indien\British Free Corps
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    This unit was forged out of complete desperation. Notice how they were officially instated in 1943. If Germans would have considered forming this unit in pre-war times, they would have just been scoffed at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordlicht View Post
    Did you now? That the Wehrmacht was the most multicultural Army in the world? Europeans of different countries, Asians, Africans ... all they have fought for Germany.


    How come ?
    Legion Freies Indien was battalion sized Indian Nationalists recruited mostly from the POW camps, thus men formerly in the service of the British Empire.

    At the outbreak of World War II, the Indian army numbered 205,000 men. Later during World War II the Indian Army became the largest all-volunteer force in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in size.[10] These forces included tank, artillery and airborne forces. Indian soldiers earned 30 Victoria Crosses during the Second World War
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_in_World_War_II

    So here we have 500 Indians/Pakistani in service of the Wehrmacht vs 2,5 million Indians/Pakistani in service of the British. You somewhat want to talk the proportions around. If that makes the German Wehrmacht to the "most multicultural" army, then the British Army was truly a majority colored army, speak a non-European one.

    I concede, the propaganda attention of the German News to Freies Indien and Arabian Legion (another battalion sized unit) was enormous, including a color photo report in Signal.


    Descheg Jan.1943.
    Berlin: Indian "Freedom-Leader" (e.g. pro-Axis anti-British militant) Subhas Chandra Bose addresses Conference of "Free-India". Among many guests and members of the Diplomatic Corps also Palestinian leader Al-Husseini and exiled Iraqi PM Al-Ghailani.
    Plot 2: Japanese Ambassador Count Oshima and RM Ribbentrop sign Japanese-German economic cooperation treaty.
    Plot 3: Manchuria declares war on the British Empire and the US.

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    So, if such an evil totalitarian state like Nazi Germany was in actuality multicultural, I am guessing multiculturalism is evil. Huh? What?

    Hmm...problem, anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCPThree View Post
    If that makes the German Wehrmacht to the "most multicultural" army, then the British Army was truly a majority colored army, speak a non-European one.

    Yes right but the British Army was made from "british" soldiers from their Colonies (commenwealth)
    In the German Wehrmacht fought not german volunteers of all countries like as in the French Foreign Legion. For their Ideology, for their freedom or some simply for Money. Not because they come from a german protectorate.

    For me it´s not the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ediruc View Post
    So, if such an evil totalitarian state like Nazi Germany was in actuality multicultural,
    NS-Germany wasn't "multicultural".
    I am guessing multiculturalism is evil. Huh? What?

    Hmm...problem, anyone?
    Why would a nation that fights for it's very existence reject any help it could gather from others? By 1943 everyone who volunteered for the Cause of Europe was taken, no matter what his racial or religious background was. The point i made was merely to suggest that Indian, Arab, Armenian and Turkmen Legions were only battalion sized, thus not a real help in the field, but mostly propaganda purposes. Much more effective was the help from inside the USSR, the number of volunteers went into the millions. Without them staffing the by 1943 bleeded out front line divisions the front would actually collapsed in autumn 1943. The KONR ("Ostfreiwillige", integrated as replacements into the German Infantry Divisions), RONA (Russian-SS), POA (Vlassov Army) as well as other pro-Czarist, pro-White (referring here to the so called White Army of Admiral Koltchak from the Civil War 1917-21), Cossacks , Ukrainian SS, OUP etc, that is basically everyone who was hostile to the Allied- Bolshevik cause, which were quite a lot, were taken into service if they wished so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCPThree View Post
    NS-Germany wasn't "multicultural".

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    I was being sarcastic I guess I was pretty vague on the point I was trying to make.

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    I also think that Hitler must have had a kernel of respect for the Muslim people because of their mutual hatred of the USA and Americanization. This in no way meant he considered them as equals, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkopf View Post
    I also think that Hitler must have had a kernel of respect for the Muslim people because of their mutual hatred of the USA and Americanization. This in no way meant he considered them as equals, however.
    Was there American-Middle-Eastern hatred back then as there is today?

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    Animosity? Yes, but not nearly to the extent as it is now.

    Arguably it was directed at the anglosphere in general. Considering the long list of conflicts with Britain in pre-WW time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...he_Middle_East

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