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Thread: Catholic Theologians Call for End to Celibacy for Priests

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardito View Post
    Naturally. The idea of female clergy only ever flows from liberalism.
    As UK ruler, queen Victoria was the head of UK church. The victorian ideal was not really free sexuallity and homosexuality.
    I doubt that an old mother superior giving the right to celebrate with nuns will be such a disaster.
    Do you think the Volvas were lesbians ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lva
    Of course, the idea is not to have a 25 years-old fashion girl (with hidden lesbian feeling) as cleric, but a retired married woman, already grand-mother and giving some catechism course could be, in case of lack of priest given some "extra-power" if she has proved to be an example the community. The same could apply for old married men, already involved in the church. If things go right, criteria could be lower.

    In Lorraine, despite you could theorically start the priest training at 18, the bishop of Metz requests the "aspirant-cleric" to have a diploma for a productive job or significative job experience. The idea is not diploma selection (a guy with no diploma but 3 years factory worker experience could apply) but to make sure to avoid student with no life experience, that will, even when realising their lacj of faith, carry-on just to avoid unemployement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ardito View Post
    This may have been the case in the past, but there's no shame in being homosexual any more. It's positively glorified these days. They are collectively seen as martyrs for the liberal cause.
    True.
    When I was 20 with no success with girls, I asked my local priest if this "lack of attraction" was the will of God to help me choosing celibacy and be priest.
    He answer that such a decision should be a real call of my faith, not just motivated by the resignation of having to live without girls.

    Just as I said above, it should be a mature decision, not the one of a boy/girl just coming out dad'n'mum house.

    For example, just look Joan of Arc, despite she had an hard life, her village destroyed, she had to wait few years before her call of faith could be followed. Do you expect today's 18 young people (boy or girl) having maturity to start following God quicker than a Saint did ?

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    Why don't they just let people masturbate for gods sake.
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    Celibacy can only make you bitter, and very often leads to perversion. Just look at all the pedophile priests, they were mostly celibate Catholics. I'm for the change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest King View Post
    Celibacy can only make you bitter, and very often leads to perversion. Just look at all the pedophile priests, they were mostly celibate Catholics. I'm for the change.
    A more likely explanation is that because they are in a position of authority towards children that pedophiles get drawn to it. Same thing with teachers. And there are people out there who are asexual, or who have very low sex drive. And in former times they would could escape social pressure by joining the priesthood, where they could fill an accepted part in social life. Those who truly where sexually frustrated usually had clandestine affairs with nuns then with choir boys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GroeneWolf View Post
    A more likely explanation is that because they are in a position of authority towards children that pedophiles get drawn to it. Same thing with teachers. And there are people out there who are asexual, or who have very low sex drive. And in former times they would could escape social pressure by joining the priesthood, where they could fill an accepted part in social life. Those who truly where sexually frustrated usually had clandestine affairs with nuns then with choir boys.
    I'm sure of it. There are a lot of people who do this, but I'm sure not all of the pedophilic priests fit into this category. Celibacy is fairly detrimental. Imagine being a 40 year old virgin, thinking about everything you missed out on, especially if you're in the presence of young boys who will probably have girlfriends and enjoy their youth like you could have but didn't.

    Then there is the negating of natural impulses which must torment these poor souls, impulses such as lust towards beautiful women. I'm sure Catholic priests have fallen in love plenty of times, and it must been pure torture. These people have to try to replace their natural impulses with something else, like pedophilia, in order to keep themselves going. Some did end up, as you said, having affairs with choir boys as a result.

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    I think mature men who have been married decades are the *ideal* for priests,
    and I always wondered why the celibacy thing.
    I was told the reason is, a priest should follow Jesus, and since He was not married, they should not.

    Yet, we see the result: Pedophilia.

    Young men are not constituted to be celibate. It's better to marry than to burn. And anyway, we need the birthrate up. So how is a celibate 30- something priest, even assuming he IS capable of the mental strength of being celibate, of any use in counseling young people about marriage?

    Better an older, married man, who's gained wisdom from being a husband and father (and possibly in need of viagra, anyway). That's the way to protect altar boys AND minister to the needs of the flock.
    And since he's older, there's no kids to support, anyway.

    How did the Catholic Church ever come to the conclusion that the best and brightest young men of the village ought to be celibate priests, anyway?
    Dummmmmmmmb.

    Funny how $$$$$$ considerations and convenience always seem to manage to morph themselves into Revelations from God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest King View Post
    Then there is the negating of natural impulses which must torment these poor souls, impulses such as lust towards beautiful women. I'm sure Catholic priests have fallen in love plenty of times, and it must been pure torture.
    The exact word is "TEMPTATION". If you cannot fight it, there are plenty of other way to serve your God than the catholic priesthood. Temptation is not only sexual, old people tend to be confident in priest hand give them money for charity. Moreover the confession gives you a lot of knowledge that could be sold to private detective agencies...


    Quote Originally Posted by shakinginmyshoes View Post
    Young men are not constituted to be celibate. It's better to marry than to burn. And anyway, we need the birthrate up. So how is a celibate 30- something priest, even assuming he IS capable of the mental strength of being celibate, of any use in counseling young people about marriage?
    The priesthood is not the main reason that compells a man to celibate, you can have:
    - ugly face
    - disformed/mutilated body
    - shyness, incompetence to "speak with girls"
    - genetic/contagious disease that would affect the wife or the future children
    that give you lots of difficulties to get in contact with women
    You can even "choose" celibacy by reason because no have no ressource, no job and therefore find difficulties to take care just about yourself.
    Comprehensive dad'n'mum have no difficulties keeping moneyless boy at home, but homing the girlfriend is out of question.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest King View Post
    These people have to try to replace their natural impulses with something else, like pedophilia, in order to keep themselves going.
    So should we see in every boy that never find a girl to go out with a potential pedophile ? Call the police to arrest every geek who finds himself alone at the prom night !

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    You can know for sure that the church has degenerated beyond all means when they allow something that is vehemently opposed in the bible. The ending of celibacy on the other hand is a smart move and can hopefully curb some sexual immorality within the priesthood. As far as I know, the motion of being Celibate is a man's made tradition, and isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringen View Post
    As UK ruler, queen Victoria was the head of UK church. The victorian ideal was not really free sexuallity and homosexuality.
    Queen Elizabeth II has been the head of the Church of England since 1952. How has that worked out?


    In actuality the British monarch defers bishopic appointments to the prime minster. Victoria & Elizabeth are just symbolic heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkopf View Post
    You can know for sure that the church has degenerated beyond all means when they allow something that is vehemently opposed in the bible. The ending of celibacy on the other hand is a smart move and can hopefully curb some sexual immorality within the priesthood. As far as I know, the motion of being Celibate is a man's made tradition, and isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible.
    It can be inferred as a worthy ascetic practice from the personal conduct of Jesus, who was celibate.
    In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.
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