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    Post Greek Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    I've been thinking of going to Greece for a vacation, and came across this interesting tidbit on a travel website for Crete:


    People of Crete



    Maybe it sounds strange to you, but many people from Sfakia are blue-eyed and fair-haired: The ancient Thracians were proverbially blue-eyed and fair-haired. Tall blonds were common among the ancient Greeks, who were a long-headed people and the Sphakiots of Crete, probably the purest representatives of the old Hellenes in existence, are tall and blond. But considering that Greek colonization was taking place on a great scale in the eighth century B.C., and that, centuries earlier and later, the restless Hellene had been fighting, trading, plundering and kidnapping, on both sides of the Ægean, and perhaps as far as the shores of Syria and of Egypt, it is probable that, even at the dawn of history, the maritime Greeks were a very mixed race.

    http://www.sfakia-crete.com/sfakia-crete/people.html
    I find it interesting that some of the Medicists on the main Skadi forum flatly deny that the original Hellenes had a Nordid phenotype, and that indigenous/martitime as well as modern Greeks are a very different type from the ancient Hellenes, being very sub-racially mixed. Yet, some of their own countrymen openly admit this to be the case.
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    Post Re: Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion
    I've been thinking of going to Greece for a vacation, and came across this interesting tidbit on a travel website for Crete:


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    I find it interesting that some of the Medicists on the main Skadi forum flatly deny that the original Hellenes had a Nordid phenotype, and that indigenous/martitime as well as modern Greeks are a very different type from the ancient Hellenes, being very sub-racially mixed. Yet, some of their own countrymen openly admit this to be the case.
    Very Nice site Telperion

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    Post Re: Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion
    I've been thinking of going to Greece for a vacation, and came across this interesting tidbit on a travel website for Crete:


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    I find it interesting that some of the Medicists on the main Skadi forum flatly deny that the original Hellenes had a Nordid phenotype, and that indigenous/martitime as well as modern Greeks are a very different type from the ancient Hellenes, being very sub-racially mixed. Yet, some of their own countrymen openly admit this to be the case.
    That only proves that there were blondes in ancient Greece as there are blondes in modern Greece. Blonde hair--for the one hundreth time--does not equal Nordid! Richard Mcculloch won't accept spanairds with blonde hair, blue eyes but with mediterranean skin and body structures as Nordish. Yet any little trace of blondism or light eyes on an illustrious ancient Greek or Roman, and he automatically becomes Nordic.
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    Post Re: Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    I don't deny the fact that there was/is blonds in southern Europe. One who has studied the ancient hellenic period, can realize easily, that there where many popular blond figures in ancient Greece. Like Alexander the Great for example, one of the most legendary European figures, had blond hair(atleast from the paintings I have seen).
    Also, in Ancient Rome there was several blond haired characters such as Virgil.
    I don't deny that there is blond haired and blue eyed people in my motherland, and I never will.
    Just close your eyes...can you remember
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    Still he lives! 2000 years have passed
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    Post Re: Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion
    I've been thinking of going to Greece for a vacation, and came across this interesting tidbit on a travel website for Crete:


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    I find it interesting that some of the Medicists on the main Skadi forum flatly deny that the original Hellenes had a Nordid phenotype, and that indigenous/martitime as well as modern Greeks are a very different type from the ancient Hellenes, being very sub-racially mixed. Yet, some of their own countrymen openly admit this to be the case.
    If blond hair = Nordid yes they were Nordid.
    But then we can claim that everyone who is white and has black hair and/or brown eyes is "Medish" or have mediterranean blood, including a pletora of German and Anglo-Saxon historical figures?

    Let's not forget that as the word black/brown had a particular meaning in ancient times for the "Nordics" so it's the case of the word "blond" in ancient Rome and Greece.. everybody that has hair lighter than the average chestnut colour was "blonde".

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

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    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Post Re: Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    Well, I don't think any serious researcher would say there were people with a "nordic" phenotype in ancient Greece (although some people have made such a claim). Perhaps the term Nordid is unfortunate, because it implies that blond southerners trace their ancestry from the northern countries, whereas it seems in reality that these people (ancient Hellenes) were Danubians.

    If I recall correctly though, I posted that article because someone had been arguing that blondism was so rare amongst the ancient Greeks as to be effectively non-existent, and I felt that view was anomalous, given that Greeks themselves recognize a strain of blondism in their make-up.

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    Post Re: Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    Eh, Telperion, remembering your youth

    Seriously, it's information from a travel site, probably based
    on the same western 'historians' hogwash which goes back
    to sources from a time when the Irish were considered to be Niggers,
    and Scandinavians to be non-white.

    I find it ridiculous that serious historians can't discern between
    nuances. What is blond (xanthos) to a Greek isn't blond by the standards
    of a person from N.Europe.

    I said it a few times before. I am medium brown haired, and that's enough for
    many of my fellow Serbs to cal me 'blond'.
    Yes, there are some really light blond people here, there are red-haired people,
    there are all sorts of pigmentations, just as there were since palaeolithic times.

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    Post Re: Greek Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    Archaeological evidence gives NO assertive indication of any substantive Nordid presence in the Ancient Hellas other than the occasional sporadic 'blond, blue eyed' individual. Art work indicative of such a place and time all indicate a vast majority of Mediterranean racial mixture and composition and even the minority of blondes in Classical Greece still fell under the Mediterranean, not Nordic, racial classification.

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    Post Re: Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Awar
    Eh, Telperion, remembering your youth

    Seriously, it's information from a travel site, probably based
    on the same western 'historians' hogwash which goes back
    to sources from a time when the Irish were considered to be Niggers,
    and Scandinavians to be non-white.

    scandinavians were actually considered non-white? by whom?

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    Post Re: Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    Quote Originally Posted by yamato
    scandinavians were actually considered non-white? by whom?
    The Irish and the Scandinavians have always been considered Caucasoid by anthropologists and if the existence of subspecies is recognised in modern humans, then because Linneus used himself as the example of a Caucasoid, and he was Swedish, Scandinavians must be Caucasoid.

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