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    Post Re: Greek Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
    Are you kidding? A blonde haired, blue eyed Mediterranid would look very similar to a Nordid.
    Hair and eye colour has nothing to do with Nordidism or even Nordicism for that matter. Less than 50% of 'Nordics' fit the both the blond and blue eyed categories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by white_pride_forever
    Hair and eye colour has nothing to do with Nordidism or even Nordicism for that matter. Less than 50% of 'Nordics' fit the both the blond and blue eyed categories.
    Then they are not Nordics. Maybe sub-Nordics. Eye and hair color are racial traits just as stature, body build and skull shape are. Most racial taxonomists include eye, hair and skin color as racial traits.

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    Sub-Nordic is a label for Nordic-Alpine mixes, not darker pigmented Nordid types.

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    Post Re: Greek Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    But then we can claim that everyone who is white and has black hair and/or brown eyes is "Medish" or have mediterranean blood, including a pletora of German and Anglo-Saxon historical figures?
    No, I think it comes down to the skull shape and length, and the face and the body, to decide whether someone is nordic or nordish.
    Dark pigmentation comes from medish, light pigmentation from nordish. Nords with dark hair and eyes get this from medish, and vice versa, but their subrace comes down to their tangible head and body features.

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    Perhaps only if you view races as individuals and not as populations that show variation.

    It depends what you mean with dark hair, but it does exist in even Sweden or Russia. There are no native Swedes or Russians who are (in the classic sense) Mediterranids. Individuals within a folk stock are varied. Only a few may show all the traits of the average, predominating type. I do not think you can determine type and origin based on any single trait.

    Quote Originally Posted by herr georg
    Nords with dark hair and eyes get this from medish, and vice versa, but their subrace comes down to their tangible head and body features.

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    I think that some darker trait are derivative of the UP strain. Perhaps.

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    Post Re: Greek Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    That is possible. There are blonde and brunette, unreduced and reduced, so-called Cro-Magnoids.

    The Sarakatsani population, who are of the Epirotic type, are strongly Cro-Magnoid. I think that they are predominantly brunette.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic Tiger
    I think that some darker trait are derivative of the UP strain. Perhaps.

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    Post Re: Greek Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion
    I've been thinking of going to Greece for a vacation, and came across this interesting tidbit on a travel website for Crete:


    [font=Verdana][size=3]I find it interesting that some of the Medicists on the main Skadi forum flatly deny that the original Hellenes had a Nordid phenotype, and that indigenous/martitime as well as modern Greeks are a very different type from the ancient Hellenes, being very sub-racially mixed. Yet, some of their own countrymen openly admit this to be the case.




    I am not a Medicist: but Greeks might have some blondism but they weren't Nordic, light haired and light eyed Meds is not uncommon.

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    Re: Greek Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    The maternal side of my family is full Greek, all brown hair and brown eyes except for one of my mother's cousins who has blonde hair and blue eyes. And his hair is blonde, not "light brown" making it close enough to blonde for a Greek.. I find that logic to be a little silly.

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    Re: Greek Travel Website Acknowledges Blond Hellenes

    The evidence for Nordic peoples in ancient Greece is nowhere near as weak as it's being presented here. I don't think anyone has ever claimed it was a majority, but there was certainly a Nordic minority there.

    From Coon:

    The long heads are not of uniform type; some, with large vaults and strong browridges, with deep nasion depressions, remind one of the larger varieties of Neolithic dolichocephals, of both Long Barrow and Corded types; and Fürst feels that a number of them are very similar to the Late Neolithic crania from Scandinavia, of about equal age. Needless to say, both Corded and Megalithic people were present in Denmark and Sweden at about this time.
    Forty-one Late Helladic skulls, dated between 1500 and 1200 B.C., and coming likewise from Argolis, may include those of some of the "divineborn" invaders. Among these, one-fifth are brachycephalic, and apparently largely of the Cypriote Dinaric type. Of the long-headed skulls, a large number belongs now to the larger, more heavily marked varieties, and fewer to the smaller Mediterranean The similarity to the northern types, and especially to the Corded, is even stronger than before. This increase in a non-Minoan direction may perhaps be attributed to the arrival of the ancestors of Homer's heroes.
    Greek literature and Greek art furnish an abundance of evidence as to the pigmentation and the characteristic facial features of the ancient inhabitants of Hellas. The Olympian gods, ancestors of the semi-heroes, were for the most part blond, with ivory shins and golden hair. Athene was gray eyed. Poseidon, however, was black haired. These gods were little different if we may believe Homer, from their descendants the heroes, most of whom were white limbed and golden haired.27
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