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Thread: How is It DNA Tests Don't Show African Ancestry for All People?

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    Genetic Diversity

    It's called Genetic mutation. Over the millenia, the basic genetic codes have mutated into various human Hapolgroups that appear to be Geographically located. Which may very well impact that very mutation or at least favor certain genetic mutations over others.

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    I really should know more about this stuff. How is it impossible that life never appeared native to other regions? The Homo Floresiensis looks like a proto-Asian, the Homo Ergaster a proto-African, the early Homo Sapien a proto-European.

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    Is the Out of Africa theory not contestable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Riverstone View Post
    Hmm, there must have been multiple races present in Africa back then. The ones who left and colonized the world were slightly more evolved than the lazy negroids who stayed.
    The oft-quoted genetic studies all seem to conclude that all human begins alive today are descended from two individuals that lived no earlier than 100,000 - 200,000 years ago. If there were other races around after that time, as there may well have been, they left no descendent's to add anything further to the human gene-pool. The Flores "Hobbit" is one such example. Here we have a Hominid species that shared the world for many thousands of years with Homo-sapiens but made no further contribution to the human gene-pool.

    As for the early-modern humans who stayed in Africa being lazier or less adventurous than the ones who moved out of Africa, well that is one possible conjecture. It is also quite possible however, that our ancestors who left Africa belonged to those tribes who were fewest in number or weaker in battle and were pushed out because of competition for game by more numerous or more aggressive neighbors. We might look at the American Indians before the arrival of Europeans for clues to how Hunter-gather tribes interact.

    We'll never know these kinds of details for sure though.
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    Let's point this out that numbers related to timeline scaling of evolution are bound to be fallible.
    If you start with the fact that we are coming from monkeys and moving into the aboriginal Humans then you must include the fact of how divergent the primate group is as well. There are splinters that grew so far and wide as to make lemurs which are almost nothing like apes themselves. As far as humanity it is possible that our split occur withing these primate evolutions and not even our own evolution as homo sapiens. This would explain that while our inherent features which make us bipedal mammals are intact we are still emensely different enough that archaic code can be found in one race and not the other. If I had to guess I would say that strict Asiatics would be our closest similar group from the proto-magnoids, existing somewhere between Europoid and Negroid.

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    Recent discoveries on ancient human migration shows that not all human beings have originated out of Africa whatsoever.

    This best can be explained by studying the alternative view of ancient human migration which is known as multi-regional hypothesis.

    The multiregional hypothesis is a scientific model that provides an explanation for the pattern of human evolution. The hypothesis holds that humans first arose near the beginning of the Pleistocene two million years ago and subsequent human evolution has been within a single, continuous human species. This species encompasses archaic human forms such as Homo erectus and Neanderthals as well as modern forms, and evolved worldwide to the diverse populations of modern Homo sapiens sapiens. The theory contends that humans evolve through a combination of adaptation within various regions of the world and gene flow between those regions. Proponents of multiregional origin point to fossil and genomic evidence as support for their hypothesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Riverstone View Post
    Hmm, there must have been multiple races present in Africa back then. The ones who left and colonized the world were slightly more evolved than the lazy negroids who stayed.
    All my research suggests that there were indeed multiple races present in Africa, and that originally Africa was not the 'black' continent.

    Races exist amongst primates, they therefore predate the evolution of modern humans and are the reason for the out of Africa migration, as each race has sought an equilibrium with it's environment. Races with paler skin migrated into cooler climates, whist blacks stayed in Africa or migrated along the equator into Australasia leaving remnant populations along the way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horned God View Post
    The oft-quoted genetic studies all seem to conclude that all human begins alive today are descended from two individuals that lived no earlier than 100,000 - 200,000 years ago.
    Studies using mtDNA have been largely discredited as scientists severely underestimated the mutation rates of mtDNA as well as the possibility of genentic recombination and male inheritance.

    When corrected for these errors the most recent common ancestor appears to have lived approximately 6000 years ago, which is patently absurd as it directly contradicts fossil evidence.

    The problems with these studies were so bad that Henry Gee, a member of the editorial staff for the journal, Nature, harshly described the studies as "garbage." After considering the number of sequences involved (136 mtDNA sequences), Gee calculated that the total number of potentially correct parsimonious trees is somewhere in excess of one billion. Geneticist Alan Templeton (Washington University) suggests that low-level mixing among early human populations may have scrambled the DNA sequences sufficiently so that the question of the origin of modern humans and a date for "Eve" can never be settled by mtDNA. In a letter to Science, Mark Stoneking (one of the original researchers) acknowledged that the theory of an "African Eve" has been invalidated.

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    Science writer Ann Gibbons authored an article for the January 2, 1998 issue of Science titled “Calibrating the Mitochondrial Clock,” the subheading of which read as follows: “Mitochondrial DNA appears to mutate much faster than expected, prompting new DNA forensics procedures and raising troubling questions about the dating of evolutionary events.” In that article, she discussed the new data which showed that the mutation rates used to obtain mitochondrial Eve’s age no longer could be considered valid, and concluded:

    Regardless of the cause, evolutionists are most concerned about the effect of a faster mutation rate. For example, researchers have calculated that “mitochondrial Eve”—the woman whose mtDNA was ancestral to that in all living people—lived 100,000 to 200,000 years ago in Africa. Using the new clock, she would be a mere 6,000 years old (1998: 279:29, emphasis added).

    http://www.trueorigin.org/mitochondrialeve01.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schubert
    Is the Out of Africa theory not contestable?
    The Out of Africa myth is just that, a myth. Human life has multi regional origins, genetic testing has shown this and anthropology as well.

    The “Out of Africa” theory was not created by actual scientists. It was cooked up by left-wing college administrators and forced onto the science departments. It was a myth designed to promote the left-wing agenda on multiculturalism. Every new discovery in the fields of anthropology and genetics continues to completely disprove this left-wing fantasy. Europeans and Asians have substantial amounts of Neanderthal ancestry, while Sub-Saharan Africans do not. Further, the Neanderthal genome project has revived the group’s placement as “proto-Caucasian.” Neanderthal can be divided into at least three regional sub-groups. Some Neanderthal, at least those living in Europe had members with fair skin and red hair
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    While migration happened and sometimes mutually influenced a gene pool, migration in the scale the OoA myth would require certainly did not happen, and is likewise disproven by genetic research.


    But of course it messes up the multikult utopia to acknowledge that humans are not "one race", but probably not even the same species, specially the sub-Saharan blacks / Congoids are not of the same species like Europids or Asians, which probably only have a greater similarity to each other through the Neanderthal admixture than that this would be from parallel evolution up to a certain point.

    The Multikult utopia, btw, was manifested in 1950 only, read here about the Race Question designed by UNESCO to "distort scientific facts regarding differences in race" and to promote that "mankind is one".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralf Rossa View Post
    I prefer the Biblical record of human ancestry where I dont have to think Iam the decendant of a monkey from Africa.

    WE all come from Noah, Noah had three sons one was Japeth from which the white races came, The Welsh Cronicles and various european royal histories have a converging family tree that leads back to Noah.


    Um, those "chronicles" of European history linking us back to Noah were written by Christian monks with an agenda (incorporate older oral myth with the newer Christian myth so the conversion of the peoples would not be so turbulent), the unadulterated chronicles and myths are nearly unknown as much was recorded after the fact, the oral traditions having "ad ins" thrown in by the Christians who later recorded older oral tales.

    If others feel it necessary I will give quotes from mythologists and translators via the various notes recorded in the back of my copies of the Edda's and other European mythological compilations stating this. (Though I'm near certain those of us here who have read these compilations have a knowledge of this, that is if the other readers were as thorough as I when reading these texts, so stating the hundreds of notes would serve nothing really but to create unnecessary cluster in the forum).

    Such behaviors have been observed by cultural anthropologists for quite some time, the writings of monks are not infallible given the various political and religious settings/changes during their lifetimes.
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