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Thread: Should Scotland Be Independent?

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    Post Should Scotland Be Independent?

    This question has been around for ages. Many have said yes, while many others have said no. What do you think? Please explain your reasoning

    I'll be sharing my humble opinion in a week or so.

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    Go Scotland!



























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    Why? England and Scotland share great history together and need each other in this troubled world. So why not try a federal or confederal state first before rushing into secession?
    'Concordia res parvae crescunt'

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    They are indepependant,they are a country in their own right with their own parliment.

    If you mean should the English be free of the tax money we pour into Scotland every year to keep them on their feet,then my answer as a taxpayer on an economic level would be yes.....go to it bonny Scotland....Ireland went bankrupt in about five years so you should do it in about six.

    Regarding them as part of the United Kingdom and ethnic brothers so to speak with close common ties i woud say that Scotland should remain with England.

    Having said that and being English and listening to constant Scots/Irish/Welsh bickering and moaning about Englishmen in general and how hard they have had it under us etc etc and how much better they would be on their own......im deaf to such celtic lamentations now so they can do what they want as far as im concerned.
    They are nothing without us Englsih and never have been....fame by association in a word.

    The Scots/Irish/Welsh remind me of some Tuna farms i saw in Australia...massive netted ares in the open sea full of tuna....and every morning a man comes with a boat full of feed and throws it into the nets keeping the tuna fat...and safe in the nets.
    Sometimes a tuna leaps out to freedom into the open sea and tries to go it alone.....he soon returns to the net trying to get back in,in the hope of free food and being safe from predators etc.....they soon die off and sink to the bottom.

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    Tommy, the only reason why Scotland are still under English rule is because Scotland has oil in the North Sea. The North Sea is Scottish Territory and if Scotland went independant, England wouldn't be able to touch it.

    Face it. England needs Scotland to keep on it's feet, not the other way around.

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    Don't the Scottish have their own parliament, law and education system? It sounds like the Scottish have been rewarded under British rule whilst the English still suffer under British rule with still no political representation.

    The Scottish still vote on matters English without the same applying to the English on matters Scottish.

    It will be a grand day when the English finally throw off the oppressive mantle of British/Scottish oppression.

    @Astrid Runa: You said: "The North Sea is Scottish Territory"

    I can't help but ask where you got this information from?



    A few Scandinavians would have cross words to have you you about Scottish "dominance" of the North Sea. As well as these Scandinavians, a few English nationalists would pick a bone or two into your false assumption.

    Putting aside the Scottish voting to take away the English border and create a larger chunk of the North Sea for Scotland, you have also had that Scot Blair making claims for England in 1999.

    Personally, I prefer the pre-1963 border. Much fairer and more historically accurate.

    http://i.imgur.com/rFzua.jpg

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    In my opinion, not being a UK citizen, I would say Scottish independence would be a mistake. It seems to me that the constituent countries of the United Kingdom are stronger together than divided and alone, if I may venture an opinion. And I think most Scots and most English believe in the Union even if belief in the Union has diminished over recent years. I'm sure Scottish and English nationalisms are growing but whether these will result in a dissolution of the Union is another question.

    I will add that if Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland get their own devolved legislatures under Tony Blair's very imperfect devolutionary plan and programme, then it is only right that England gets her own as well. The West Lothian question, as I understand it, can only be resolved by the establishment of a devolved English legislature on the same pattern as the other devolved legislatures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyAtkins View Post
    They are indepependant,they are a country in their own right with their own parliment.
    Hardly.

    We arent even close to being our own country. I'll just take 2 minutes to give you some quick examples: The UK Parliament has complete power over us. They have control over our territory and borders. Its the UK Parliament, not the Scottish Parliament that regulates foreign / domestic trade. Everything our Parliament has control over (which isnt much) was "granted" to us by the UK Parliament.

    If we were so close to being our own country, wouldnt we have Scottish embassies? .

    We are in no way a "country in our own right." Which is utterly disgraceful.

    They are nothing without us Englsih and never have been.
    We did quite fine without your "help" for ages. Today's world would be no different.

    The Scots/Irish/Welsh remind me of some Tuna farms i saw in Australia...massive netted ares in the open sea full of tuna....and every morning a man comes with a boat full of feed and throws it into the nets keeping the tuna fat...and safe in the nets.
    Sometimes a tuna leaps out to freedom into the open sea and tries to go it alone.....he soon returns to the net trying to get back in,in the hope of free food and being safe from predators etc.....they soon die off and sink to the bottom.
    This coming from the guy who earlier called us your "ethnic brothers"?

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    Scotland should be independent and they can develop as their own nation, and remain in economic-like union with rest of UK.

    It is England that needs Scottland today, not the opposite. And they should let them go.

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    I support scottish independence as I want to see England primarily to be a free country on its own first.

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