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Thread: Should Scotland Be Independent?

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    I want scotland to be independent, because I think England should be independent (+hopefully a republic ). But I dont buy this s**t about 'scotland's oil'. Sorry but it's not scotland's oil, it belongs to the united kingdom. if oil was found off the coast of yorkshire, it wouldn't be yorkshire's oil, it would belong to the whole of the UK.

    The union with england has done a lot for Scotland (much more then they would care to admit). 'bought and sold for english gold' is a myth - scotland was a backwater of europe in 1707, economically - it was on it's knees. so they shouldn't be able to say we're going to **** off now theres some oil, that's not how it works

    Quote Originally Posted by Dankward View Post
    From my german and germanic point of view I would like to see the whole UK beeing dissolved and Scotland as well as England as separate states. The whole entity of the UK and its predecessors were an anti-germanic and anti-european entity that served mainly plutocratic interests. Furthermore do I think that a german and an english state wouldn't have had the conflicts that the British Empire and the German Empire actually had. This is also important for the future.

    the UK was not anti-germanic, in fact the opposite. British-german alliances were the norm for almost 200 years, which is why their rivalry in the late 19th century and then conflict was so strange
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    Sorry, but what would you, an Englishman, know about Scottish History exactly? Are you studying Scottish History currently, or have you?
    Because my Grandad tells me that the "bought and sold for English gold" is true, that the Scots were indeed bribed.

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    Yes the English aristocracy bribed the Scottish nobles into signing the treaty.

    The point of the matter is that neither the average Englishman nor the average Scotsman had any say in the treaty ... if so both would have rejected it.

    In response to your comment that Englishmen know nothing about Scottish history; well we know that every time the English army had been fighting overseas, you Scots would be planning an invansion or an alliance against us

    May I also ask why are you so bitter?
    All that is gold does not glitter,
    Not all those who wander are lost;
    The old that is strong does not wither,
    Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

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    Should Scotland Be Independant?

    Scotland's legal system continues to be separate from those of England and Wales and Northern Ireland, and Scotland still constitutes a distinct jurisdiction in public and in private law.

    The continued existence of legal, educational and religious institutions distinct from those in the remainder of the UK have all contributed to the continuation of Scottish culture and national identity since the Union.

    (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland)

    Based on these facts, Scotland and its people (with whom I share Celtic roots - specifically Irish) should become independent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXRog View Post

    Based on these facts, Scotland and its people (with whom I share Celtic roots - specifically Irish) should become independent.
    Well, in my opinion, Scotland and England should throw off it''s Saxe-Coburg parasite oppressors and renew the republic that Oliver Cromwell started.

    Not going to happen. though.

    Even my Scottish Grandfather carried a picture of a Stuart royal (Mary) in his wallet all his living days.... and he spent most of his life in the US.

    Those people are comfortable in their slavery... sort of like us, here in the US.

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    Scotland, Ireland, and England independantly could have been easily conqured by a single enemy but together as the UK they stood unbeatable by outsiders. The loss of Ireland has weakened the UK and the loss of Scotland would weaken them further. I support the preservation of their unique cultures but their union has made them stronger than any one of them on it's own. They should resist the domination of the union by one part of it, but as monarchy only allows for one king it is unavoidable. If they were a democratic federal republic instead...

    If they hadn't been as one, they could all be seperate parts of France, Germany, or even Spain today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog View Post

    If they hadn't been as one, they could all be seperate parts of France, Germany, or even Spain today.
    This last part intrigues me... could you elaborate upon it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrid Runa View Post
    Because my Grandad tells me that the "bought and sold for English gold" is true, that the Scots were indeed bribed.
    I'm afraid he was terribly wrong and it is an unfortunate lie which has been ignorantly perpetuated for centuries; to the detriment of Scottish Nationalism it seems.

    Wręcca got it half right in correctly stating that neither Scots or English people had an input in the determination of their respective parliaments and national freedom. The suggestion that the English somehow bribed the Scottish to accept the Union is absolutely preposterous.

    The Scottish parliamentarians who voted held pro-Union views, and extreme religious beliefs and political and economic values.
    As to the actual accusation of a Scottish monarch sitting upon the throne of England, Queen Anne, actually bribing the Scottish parliament, well, that is quickly found out when one considers of the 30 MPs, at least 5 never voted and the only case of bribery was Lord Banff who was a Unionist anyway!

    If I was Scottish, I'd stop blaming the English for the Union and start looking at the Scottish ministers who didn't care to sell Scotland down the river with only their wealth and religious and political values as the only consideration.

    As for this: 'Bought and sold for English gold', that actually pre-dates the Union and refers to the Scottish failed Darien venture and was condemnation for the Scots ministers who supported it.

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    Scotland should be independent, without a doubt.

    It's just a shame that the only separatist party is leftist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wat-tyler View Post
    But I dont buy this s**t about 'scotland's oil'. Sorry but it's not scotland's oil, it belongs to the united kingdom. if oil was found off the coast of yorkshire, it wouldn't be yorkshire's oil, it would belong to the whole of the UK.
    If Scotland went independent (and I sincerely hope she does) Shetland could declare UDI and claim the oil

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